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123 Tryphon vs Perceval

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even, 6.5 komi,
Tryphon please guess even or odd for the color
We are both around 7-8 k it seems
123
Yes i know it's your luggage code ,it's mine too. :mrgreen:

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I'd say even, because I'm sure you choosed odd, and I always lose at nigiri :)
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it was indeed odd, so bonne partie !

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I want to try the kobayashi which i have been experimenting with lately (but i know very little).
One of my big flaw is to try to always simplify and avoid battles if i can't see clearly that i will be on top, sometimes to the point of cowardice, i want to avoid that in this game.
I will not turn into a hothead overnight but i will try to go into complications if they are unclear instead of running off the goban.
Thats the theory anyway
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Re: 123 Tryphon vs Perceval

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Good luck to both!
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I definitely can't win at nigiri.

Bonne partie à toi aussi !

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I don't like diagonal fusekis very much.

I am particularly weak at territorial games, that's why I play san-san, for a learning :)
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so much for the kobayashi...
i like to play 4-4 and 3-4 for balance anyway, maybe a chinese next we ll see
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Thank you Marcus. I hope we'll have somme comments from stronger players. I don't see a Malkovich like a turn-based game at all.

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Not much to say. I suppose I could have played a more influence-oriented stone, but I like coherent things. I have to admit that I never played this opening (maybe in 9x9), and that I'm not accustomed at all at playing territorially. We'll see.
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I like white's opening :p
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Why is white playing "Find the missing star point"?
While I was teaching the game to a friend of mine, my mother from the other room:
"Cutting? Killing? Poking out eyes? What the hell are you playing?"
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i think the chinese is well fitted here/ if i extend to the bottom i ll have more space than against a 4-4.
OTOH if i complete the corner enclosure he ll have the more interesting remaining point
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The advantage of san-san is that it doesn't need another move to protect the corner, so I didn't consider any shimari.

Instead, I considered 4 moves :
- approach corner at a : classical, can't be bad
- make a formation at b : I find it constradictory with playing san-san as a stand alone stone
- approach at c : I always found myself uneasy with approaching a komoku from the small side
- approach at d : Far too early. But I'd prefer qpproach from this side
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I made a mistake in the previous message and the comment didn't show in the hide tag. It's now fixed.
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standard, played high because my cinses is low.
aand a smiley for my boy who wants a grumpy this time: :grumpy:
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Here are the 3 answers I thought of.

a is a common joseki, one of the few I know. I don't like it very much because it closes the corner
b is usually played after a. I can play it immediatly, leaving the corner open, but usually B answer by a kosumi-tsuke at p17 to make my extension a little heavy
c is my favourite. It's light, in the sense of B can then invade, but kosumi-tsuke doesn't work anymore, the corner is open, there plenty of things to do after

But most of the time, c works well with my stone of the top-left, that I play usually at hoshi or at 5-3 or 5-4. Here, I started a territory game so let's play the move that makes the more territory, so a.

If I were Black, I'd play M17 or N17 rather than sansan.
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My feeling is that after this joseki White will have too many stones on the 2nd and third lines. White needs to get back the balance, how he is going to do that I am not sure. I am not familiar with this double 3-3 opening as White.
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