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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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To observers:
Is Kirby really behind as he says he is? He has 20+ points of solid territory. White has lots of probably territory, but not one point that black can't suceessfully invade if he wanted to. There are, of course, consequenses to such invasions.
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O 2 1 . 3 . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Obviously, my opponent's shape on the left is bulletproof, or close enough to not matter. I do have a few weaknesses (the F16 peep is nontrivial, and helps B. This seems like kind of an issue, but I'll just have to do my best to keep E12 weak. Ideally, I would love to make territory (6th line would be nice) while chasing that group, but shape issues that you may be hinting at, like the peep, makes it so that it will not likely be so easy. Regardless, I've made my bed, now it's time to get comfy. The game still seems perfectly playable for both sides, so I intend to do just that.
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O 2 1 . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I want to strengthen my two stones. That's my real intention behind this sequence. I figured the peep was a bit forcing and maybe useful for me. That's why I played it first. If I don't, white might play a move to take it away.
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X b . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . a . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems like the best way I can find to separate black. If I played at 'a', I don't like the amount of hane/crosscut/contact garbage it grants black. Obviously, black can't push and cut immediately, for fear of 7 years bad luck (walking under a ladder? no?) If my opponent plays 'a', I'll probably take 'b', because it seems to give less forcing mvoes than connecting immediately would. I fully expect my opponent will immediately turn to attack my four stones on the left, but my shape is reasonable, so I can jump about as far as he can. There's a chance we may get into a 'nobody dies' situation, in which case I'll try to use forcing moves against his group to get more stones on the outside, either making territory or at least 'transferring' my influence.
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This feels a bit aggressive, but maybe I can pressure his stones a bit.
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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kirby wrote:
This feels a bit aggressive, but maybe I can pressure his stones a bit.


Pressure his stones? :-? Those stones are dead. You people have seriously got to start doing more invasions, fighting and, most important of all, killing.


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What's wrong with being aggressive. Whittle, hue(correct spelling?), rend, kill, destroy. For goodness sake.
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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Joppon
These stones get out with G10
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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@Aphelion
could you post a variation, I don't see it.
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[go]$$Bcm55 I'm looking at (a) If it works, how the HELL do you see stuff like that?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 4 5 . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 3 2 . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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I knew someone would post such a reply :)
G10 was the first thing I thought of (honest), and I still can't see the sequence. Aphelion or anyone, please enlighten me.
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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Joppon
Oops, I'm an idiot. I totally misread that cut - and I've looked at it for like a minute too!
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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obs:

Possible ko complications? It doesn't look worth it on this board ... but maybe later ...

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[go]$$Bcm55 Desperation ko
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 7 6 . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 4 5 . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . 2 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OTOH ... even if those stones are dead, the aji is quite large, I think ... useless right now, but White might be able to use the aji to make a few reductions in the late middle game ... or maybe I'm hallucinating again ... :)
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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Aphelion
OK. B55 then, was huge. 13 pts approx with a single move. I think B is favourable.
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X 8 7 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 6 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Oh, crud. I had originally planned this 56, expecting 57 at 58. However, obviously, this doesn't look as good. Honestly, my opponent has enough points that I should probably count and consider resignation. Sorry, not at all pleased with my go, of late. I'm taking this move instead because it's the best sente I'm likely to get out of things.
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . 7 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have been playing very poorly, lately. My mind is a bit more scattered than usual. Still, I want to get through that type of thinking. Despite feeling weird, I can still at least try to read this local situation.

I think that I have iterated through all possibilities, and have captured his stones here.

As for future plans... I don't know. But at least I think that I should play this move here, at this moment.
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Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)

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Man what a big loss for White.
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