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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy
Post #41 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:43 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy
Post #42 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:56 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy
Post #43 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:24 am 
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I would have a hard time answering white G12 as black. I'll be surprised if Shaddy plays something different.

Edit: Really lots of moves seem possible. G7 H6 F12 might be more interesting. I really don't know.

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Offline Shaddy
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Post #44 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:02 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy
Post #45 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:48 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy
Post #46 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:11 pm 
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I'm not saying white will live, but I feel a lot better about this position than anytime since the first couple of moves.

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Offline Shaddy
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Post #47 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:57 pm 
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This move is hard to decide on. I'll post it tomorrow.
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #48 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:03 pm 
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@Shaddy:
Why did you play that last move? It looked like aji keshi.

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Offline Shaddy
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Post #49 Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:45 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . 7 . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Joaz:

I don't care about the lower right anymore, there's no way it can live. And I don't think any other forcing move here would as useful as this, but maybe I'm wrong..
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy
Post #50 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:27 am 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . 8 X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . O . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Shaddy
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Post #51 Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:53 am 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . 9 X X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . O . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy
Post #52 Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:53 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . O . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Shaddy
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Post #53 Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:09 am 
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[go]$$Wcm31 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . O . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline cdybeijing
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Post #54 Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:46 pm 
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No comments on that last move from white? I would like to know how Shaddy evaluates his chances for living at this point.
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Offline Shaddy
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Post #55 Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:32 pm 
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I think I'm ok, but we're getting awfully close to the edge. This variant of capture-go seems harder for white than the one I usually play, which puts an iron pillar on each side star and 4-4 and 3-3 in each corner for black.
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Offline Redundant
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Post #56 Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:40 pm 
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I got a message for you, Shaddy:

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Offline perceval
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Post #57 Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:17 am 
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[go]$$Bcm32 What do you think of this :b32: (the ladder at a still doesnt work ! :o )?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , 2 1 O 3 O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . O a . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm34 possible continuation :b40: at :bc:
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$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . 3 4 . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . 2 O X X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , O B O X O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . O 6 1 O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . 0 . 7 O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . 5 . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . 9 . X . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm35
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
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$$ | . . . . 1 O X X . . O O O . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . O 2 . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
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