corner problem after Joseki

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corner problem after Joseki

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[go]$$c first 10 joseki moves
$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . 0 . . . . .
$$ | . 8 4 . . 3 . . . .
$$ | . 6 5 1 . . . . . ,
$$ | . 7 9 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]


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[go]$$c joseki continuation
$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . . .
$$ | . O O 4 2 X . . . .
$$ | . O X X 3 . . . . ,
$$ | . X X . . . 5 . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]



My question:
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[go]$$c What now?
$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . O X . . . .
$$ | . O O . O X . . . .
$$ | . O X X X W . . ,
$$ | . X X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU WANT TO SOLVE THE CORNER PROBLEM BELOW YOURSELF
Blak could kill white, but he has to be careful about his stones too. Should black go for the kill, or does he have to defend before? He probably can kill, as otherwise white could take this cut as part of the joseki sequence.



Promised Corner problem:
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[go]$$c Black to play - status of white corner?
$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . O X . . . .
$$ | . O O . O X . . . .
$$ | . O X X X X . . ,
$$ | . X X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . a . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

There was a white stone at a which I edited out. Not totally sure if it changes anything, you may see it as an extra-question :mrgreen:
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Re: corner problem after Joseki

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LR24 wrote:Promised Corner problem:

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[go]$$c Black to play - white corner dies
$$ ------------------
$$ | . 2 . 7 1 . . . . .
$$ | 3 . . 4 O X . . . .
$$ | 6 O O . O X . . . .
$$ | 5 O X X X X . . ,
$$ | . X X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . a . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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Re: corner problem after Joseki

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LR24 wrote:My question:
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[go]$$c What now?
$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . O X . . . .
$$ | . O O . O X . . . .
$$ | . O X X X W . . ,
$$ | . X X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]



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[go]$$c What now?
$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . O X . . . .
$$ | . O O . O X . 1 . .
$$ | . O X X X O 6 7 ,
$$ | . X X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O 3 2 5 . . . .
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]


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Re: corner problem after Joseki

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Oh boy the move 5 simply looks gorgeous, while so simple I bet I'd have missed it in an actual game.
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A late "Thanks" for the replies :)

I would never come to think about the sequence Bill posted :mrgreen:
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For a more interesting corner problem, remove the stone at E16.

So:

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[go]$$W
$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . 7 8 . . . .
$$ | . 5 1 . 9 0 . . . .
$$ | . 3 2 X . B . . . ,
$$ | . 4 6 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . W . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]


In this joseki (3-3 invasion after black answers the :wc: approach with the high move :bc: ), what is the status if white plays tenuki with :w11: ?
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Re: corner problem after Joseki

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HermanHiddema wrote:For a more interesting corner problem, remove the stone at E16.

So:

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[go]$$W
$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . 7 8 . . . .
$$ | . 5 1 . 9 0 . . . .
$$ | . 3 2 X . B . . . ,
$$ | . 4 6 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . W . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]


In this joseki (3-3 invasion after black answers the :wc: approach with the high move :bc: ), what is the status if white plays tenuki with :w11: ?


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