Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)

thequietcenter · Post by **thequietcenter** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:23 am

my strength: 10k KGS - http://static.livingcosmos.org/mykgs/
the range of strength that I am willing to play against: 7k to 13k

Sevis · Post by **Sevis** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:50 am

I think this should be in the Malkovich registration thread, but I'll go ahead and accept. 8 kyu KGS (but probably overranked), I would suggest Japanese rules, no handicap, 0.5 komi, open joseki dictionaries/other books, me playing white, or same, but with two handicap and 6.5 komi. Of course, an even game is also fine.

thequietcenter · Post by **thequietcenter** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:11 pm

Ok accepted. I thought I had posted there. I made a mistake.

thequietcenter · Post by **thequietcenter** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:22 pm

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]
PW[Sevis]WR[8k]
PB[metaperl]BR[10k]WT[KGS]BT[KGS]
AB[pd]
PL[W])[/sgf-full]

Sevis · Post by **Sevis** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:39 pm

If you don't mind, I'll stick to diagrams.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 1 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I somewhat prefer this over the typical D4 response -- it invites a cross fuseki (which I will have an easier time exploiting), and breaks the symmetry, not letting black play mirror go (probably not a significant chance of that, but it happens).

I know more about my opponent's playing style than he knows about mine. He seems to prefer moyos, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a Chinese fuseki. Expected:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b a . . | $$ | . . . 1 . . . . . 6 . . . . . X . d . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 3 . . . . . 5 . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't like :b8:

in this diagram, so I think I may instead approach from the other side. If I stick to this, a-d are reasonable, I think.

thequietcenter · Post by **thequietcenter** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:23 pm

How easy was it for you to make your move after mine and post a diagram?

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]
PW[Sevis]WR[8k]
PB[metaperl]BR[10k]WT[KGS]BT[KGS]
AB[pd][qp]
AW[dd]
PL[W])[/sgf-full]

Sevis · Post by **Sevis** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:19 am

Well, it was a matter of grabbing a default diagram, then adding two stones. I'd say that's simpler than downloading the SGF, adding a move, then uploading it again, especially seeing as the SGF (as it is) does not show the order of the moves, and does not, therefore, help much.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Aha, so he isn't going to play Chinese! That's nice to hear, although he could still play small Chinese. I think I'll allow him to get a shimari, although this looks interesting:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 3 . . . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, I am not at all a fan of 3-4 approach moves: all the joseki I know end up being beneficial for the defender. On the other hand, giving away a shimari isn't great -- but I will have sente, and will be able to approach Q16.

thequietcenter · Post by **thequietcenter** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:17 pm

In SmartGo, I have this game saved. I just play your move and then play mine and then choose "Edit -> Copy" and then click "sgf-full" and then paste the SGF. You dont mind how I handle my moves do you?

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]
PW[Sevis]WR[8k]
PB[metaperl]BR[10k]WT[KGS]BT[KGS]
AB[pd][qp][oq]
AW[dd][dp]
PL[W])[/sgf-full]

oren · Post by **oren** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:27 pm

thequietcenter wrote:In SmartGo, I have this game saved. I just play your move and then play mine and then choose "Edit -> Copy" and then click "sgf-full" and then paste the SGF. You dont mind how I handle my moves do you?

It is a bit slow to have to start up the sgf handler everytime. You can just hit quote when replying, modify the move you want, and submit.

SmartGo also may be able to copy and paste in the format used here for diagrams. I'm not sure, but it's worth looking.

And I found it here...
http://www.smartgo.com/copy.htm

judicata · Post by **judicata** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:41 pm

It is really easy to quote and edit the diagram. And, for what it's worth, makes for more comfortable viewing IMO.

Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:57 pm

If you quote somebody, won't you be able to read thier hiden comments? :scratch:

oren · Post by **oren** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:14 pm

Mnemonic wrote:If you quote somebody, won't you be able to read thier hiden comments?

You're right. I've never done Malkovich and forgot that part.

Sevis · Post by **Sevis** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:20 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Well black has a shimari. Letting him play Q10 would be rather silly of me. On the other hand:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 5 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I do not want to prompt him into strengthening his right (even at the cost of the top). I think that starting a fight may be a good idea eventually -- I think I am better at fighting than at fuseki (granted, I am horrible at both).

I expect a pincer.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:26 pm

Please fix your move numbers.

And yes, it's very dangerous to press "quote" when you're in a Malkovich game.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 4 . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sevis · Post by **Sevis** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:33 pm

Ack, thank you -- done.

(I was wondering what that m was for...)

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