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Has anyone else seen this? I thought it was pretty awesome. I plan to get one of these as soon as possible. Although, I've never really had a credit card before so I'm kind of wary of them.


http://www.usgo.org/news/2011/06/capital-one-offers-new-aga-visa-card/
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Why is an article on the AGA website dated June 27, 2011 referencing the upcoming 2010 Mind Games?
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Very cool! Maybe when I'm an actual adult who has a credit card, I'll consider this.
"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." -- Bruce Lee
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why did black play in the corner? ..
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It looks like a tsumego.
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LocoRon wrote:It looks like a tsumego.


I can almost swear that I saw this problem in a book a 4d at my go club was studying...
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Post by Solomon »

The tsumego on the card:

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[go]$$W
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | . . X X X . O . .
$$ | . . X . . X O . .
$$ | . . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]
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Re: Go Credit Card

Post by SoDesuNe »

Araban wrote:The tsumego on the card:

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[go]$$W
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | . . X X X . O . .
$$ | . . X . . X O . .
$$ | . . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]




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[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | 3 X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 . X X X . O . .
$$ | a 2 X . . X O . .
$$ | . . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


Shortage of liberties. If Black plays 'a' White just puts Atari with 2.
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Re: Go Credit Card

Post by Redundant »

@Sodesune:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 . X X X . O . .
$$ | . . X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]
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Re: Go Credit Card

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Redundant wrote:@Sodesune:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 . X X X . O . .
$$ | . . X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


I didn't analyze this problem that much, but my initial thought from this position was that white could simply play here:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | O 1 X X X . O . .
$$ | . . X . . X O . .
$$ | X . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


However, this makes me slightly nervous:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | 5 X O . . . . . .
$$ | 3 X O O O O . . .
$$ | O 1 X X X . O . .
$$ | 4 2 X . . X O . .
$$ | X . X X . X O . .
$$ | 7 6 O O X . O . .
$$ | O O 8 . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]
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Redundant wrote:@Sodesune:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 . X X X . O . .
$$ | . . X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]




Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 3 X X X . O . .
$$ | . . X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


I thought cutting and capturing were obvious ^^



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Maybe this is the solution, does anyone has the concrete answer?


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 . X X X . O . .
$$ | 3 . X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


Maybe this?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | 7 X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 . X X X . O . .
$$ | 3 4 X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 6 X X . X O . .
$$ | 5 . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]



Ha ha ha, no, snapback ^^ It's getting late.



BUT NOW!
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 . X X X . O . .
$$ | . 3 X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | 8 X O . . . . . .
$$ | 7 X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 5 X X X . O . .
$$ | 6 3 X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 4 X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


:w9: at :w5: and feakin' under the stones!
Last edited by SoDesuNe on Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:15 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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SoDesuNe wrote:
Redundant wrote:@Sodesune:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 . X X X . O . .
$$ | . . X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]




Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 3 X X X . O . .
$$ | . . X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


I thought cutting and capturing were obvious ^^



Kirby
Maybe this is the solution, does anyone has the concrete answer?


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 . X X X . O . .
$$ | 3 . X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


Maybe this?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | 7 X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 . X X X . O . .
$$ | 3 4 X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 6 X X . X O . .
$$ | 5 . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]



Ha ha ha, no, snapback ^^ It's getting late.


It is the best I've come up with so far (ko).

This also doesn't seem to work:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | 5 O O . . . . . .
$$ | 3 X O . . . . . .
$$ | 9 X O O O O . . .
$$ | 2 7 X X X . O . .
$$ | 4 . X . . X O . .
$$ | 1 6 X X . X O . .
$$ | 8 0 O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]
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It's only a hard problem if you assume it is white to kill :).
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Re: Go Credit Card

Post by Kirby »

However, I guess :b4: in this diagram was aji-keshi, and should be used as a ko threat:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | 5 X O . . . . . .
$$ | 3 X O O O O . . .
$$ | O 1 X X X . O . .
$$ | 4 2 X . . X O . .
$$ | X . X X . X O . .
$$ | 7 6 O O X . O . .
$$ | O O 8 . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


That is, it's probably better for black to play this way:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | 3 X O O O O . . .
$$ | O 1 X X X . O . .
$$ | C 2 X . . X O . .
$$ | X . X X . X O . .
$$ | 5 4 O O X . O . .
$$ | O O 6 . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


If he doesn't have good enough ko threats, he can always play the marked point. And, if he does have threats elsewhere, it can be a local threat for him.
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I edited above:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 . X X X . O . .
$$ | . 3 X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 . X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ -------------------
$$ | X O O . . . . . .
$$ | 8 X O . . . . . .
$$ | 7 X O O O O . . .
$$ | 1 5 X X X . O . .
$$ | 6 3 X . . X O . .
$$ | 2 4 X X . X O . .
$$ | . . O O X . O . .
$$ | O O . . O O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . .[/go]


:w9: at :w5: and freakin' under the stones!
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