Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

parliament · Post by **parliament** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:08 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm71 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . 5 . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This defense is pretty much induced by Black's last move. My first thought is for Black to try for for sente, then maybe try the invasion:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm71 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . a . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O 7 X 0 . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . 6 O 8 . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . b 9 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But I may try tenuki instead of capturing with b), and reinforce the left...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm81 In the lids: B- :w3: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X X . . . . # . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . 5 X a X . . # . . . . . | $$ | . . . 7 . . . 3 2 a 4 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Things start to look iffy for Black. I can still probably live with the bottom group, Black got thick, but too close to strength and

reduces the Black potential already. So, Black might not want to play this if he's careful. This is ok, because then he will be choosing a softer reply, like nobi directly:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm71 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O a X 6 . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . 5 . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

or a), or even softer, in a local sense: tenuki. In any event, I will have better followups locally, and be easier to take sente if Black does respond.

Trying to play

on the right side immediately is very bad, I suspect:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm71 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . 8 . . . . . 5 . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . 7 6 . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I still may be able to squeeze out life, as in the other variation, but Black's territory is a far better prospect, now, with a local continuation at a). Basically, I'd prefer to give bottom territory to Black in an overconcentrated format in my gote, rather than get squeezed to nothing on the bottom in Black's sente, and allow Black much more useful thickness like this. Note that this is only the start of the attack; it doesn't show half of how much thicker Black will get.

In any case, we'll see what Black does, as always. I'm starting to feel that I may be getting back something of an edge with these recent midgame moves. Black's move took territory and got strong toward my bottom group, but is not so big in itself provided I can keep the sente hane into endgame, and provided that I do a good job foiling Black's efforts to profit from this counterattack on the bottom in these next few moves.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:44 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm71 In the lids: B- W- $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . 6 O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

When I played

, I instantly saw this as a move to expect at some point. I knew that if I simply haned and let him pull back, I feel a bit overconcentrated. The knight's move attacking the entire group or the cap (H6 or J6) were my other two considerations for my last move. They would have strongly affected follow up sequences to this attachment.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 In the lids: B- W- $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O 2 X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . 4 3 1 O 6 . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After this, there are a couple of options for either of us.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 In the lids: B- W- $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O 8 6 O 2 X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O 7 5 3 1 O 4 . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

parliament · Post by **parliament** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:53 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm71 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O 7 X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Puppycakes, should I stop using the stone 'smilies' in the prisoner count? Your software appears to have some difficulty in copying that part of the diagram code.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:48 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm71 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X O 8 . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I changed my mind on my other sequence. Generally, I try to avoid that shape, but I was trying to think of a sequence that would allow for me to not sacrifice that stone because doing so makes me feel a bit over-concentrated. I also considered this sequence, but it fails with

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So sacrificing the stone makes the most sense. I may not get sente depending on whether he chooses to capture my stone or not.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm71 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X O 8 . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This would be my follow-up sequence and it would leave his group much weaker. I considered looking for other follow up sequences.

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parliament · Post by **parliament** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:24 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm71 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X O X . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:13 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm71 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X 0 . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X O X . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

parliament · Post by **parliament** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:48 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm81 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X O X . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Wow. Exactly according to my first thoughts for Black. Out of all the moves in the game so far, I prominently feel that here Black has played into the rosy parts of my reading. Often Black has played moves that I didn't consider strongly, but here I might be really surprising Black, if I haven't already been able to do this so far. Consider this as revenge for the top right in the opening, for example, when Black wouldn't settle his group into a low position like a good boy. I'm pretty certain that this is going to change the flow favorably for me, but if my expections are violated...well, I guess that's a learning opportunity

For the record, there were I think ways that Black could try to resist this result:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm71 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X b . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . c X O X . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O 0 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seemed interesting, maybe. Even though I could exchange a) for b), it's a bit less comfortable to tenuki from the bottom as White because Black can play c) as a followup instead of descending, which leads to more cutting points and less territory for White.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm71 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . b 8 X O a . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This one was also of some interest. There's the feeling that White may try resisting at a), but it's not so easy to follow up on such a feeling when White is weaker locally. If White does b), Black a) and it is similar to the previous variation, actually.

Anyway, I was so concerned about losing sente if Black played the descent that I was tempted to try something a bit outside the usual:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm81 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . b . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . 2 . a . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X 1 . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X O X . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 3 O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Normally you play atari from the other direction, since the stone that Black gets by connecting is not very useful: White's move in the exchange covers up much of Black's influence over the center. Cutting instead is pushing from behind. If Black finishes at a) then the feeling is that I've just exchanged a dead stone on the inside for a Black stone on the outside: not a good kind of exchange, usually. In any case, Black would have a lot more power this way. But with this sacrifice I'd get to settle the bottom group with easy territory, and take sente to protect the right, and limit some of that Black influence at the same time, and after that I'd still have hope to maybe play some good kikashi later against Black's shape on the bottom.

Dunno. But I don't have to deliberate over such variations anymore in this game, since now Black has pretty straightforwardly made a choice that I consider to be good for White.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:20 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm81 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . 2 . X O X . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

parliament · Post by **parliament** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:23 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm81 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X 3 X O X . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm81 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O a . O O X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X 3 X O X . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Perhaps it was the sharpest move available for Black in terms of the shape, but I don't really see any dire consequences in this case. Perhaps my opponent intends to make a) work somehow. I really don't know what Black's aim is though, so it's hard to predict which move Black will choose. Maybe I'm misreading and Black will show me his tesuji or something, but I'm pretty confident here.

Whatever's happening recently on the board here, and with Puppycakes' life off the board, I really respect him for his overall level of play in this game. If he's the player on KGS that I think he is (though I may not be the player on KGS that you think I am), this game seems so much deeper that it is hard to recognize the common element. I've been reading deeper too of course with more time, and sleeping about the game that you are playing can allow for more insights to bubble up from the subconscious, as it were. Still I think that some of my impulsive qualities and blind spots as a player were shown more clearly in this game than in real time. Some things just aren't visible without careful analysis, if your opponent cannot show you the punishment within the confines of a timed game, or if you for your part can't recognize the clear punishment as such while caught up in playing the next move.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:30 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm81 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X O X O X . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 4 . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

parliament · Post by **parliament** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:17 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm81 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . O O X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X O X O X . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm required to pressure the corner if I want a result better than merely connecting over the top, with no territory.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm81 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . b O O X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X O X O X . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . a . X . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Moves like a) fix the cut for Black, threaten to connect under, and activate b). So I can't capture Black's stone and block a) at the same time here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm81 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b2: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O X X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . X . 0 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . 8 O O X X . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X O a O X . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 7 6 . X 5 O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After this I can't cut, because then Black atari, Black atari, Black blocks on the second line and I'm losing the race. White's own descent to the second line is interesting against the corner in some ways, but rather than play a move like

or

which increase my losses on the outside and reduce my liberties with the corner group, the correct timing is to start first with the cut in the corner, and force Black into a decision there.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:29 am

Sorry for taking so long. I normally move at work, but I'm super tired because I've worked 48 of the last 72 hours and I don't feel like moving until I actually get a chance to catch up on sleep.

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Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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