127. ez4u vs topazg

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:51 am

SpongeBob wrote:Yeah, audience is watching you ...
Great game, excellent comments! Thanks for playing guys.

Always nice to know there actually are people watching

Glad it's interesting enough!

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:30 am

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My hangover was too bad to post this morning

This is the advanced technique called "fishing". It follows the proverb, "When you don't know what to do, fight!" (since I really do not know what is best here)

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My original thought had been that I could use the peep at

to set up the usual driving tesuji. However, the more I looked at it the more concerned I became that if White does not really have anywhere to go here and that Black could keep on happily being pushed from behind and let White's eyeless group get larger and larger. Other attempts to directly run with the marked stone seem inevitably heavy.

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The other idea would be to sacrifice the marked stone immediately by playing

. White then tries to build strength toward the center but Black's counter hane at

leaves a very complex situation.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:58 am

Bwahhh??

Let the battle of sabaki-fu commence

I'll be doing some heavy reading tonight!

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:12 am

topazg wrote:I'll be doing some heavy reading tonight!

War and Peace? Ulysses?

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:15 pm

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Ok, this move was insanely hard to choose. Effectively we've just added a second battleground to the war, and they both influence each other quite a lot. That means I can escalate, pick one battle at the expense, or do something else completely. Only kidding, that last one's definitely not an option here.

So, where do we go?

That first stone has lots of aji sadly, and it's a real thorn. I'd considered the following (a->f) local White responses before playing it:

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At this point, I was happy, as none of them seemed to work, as I got a number of really useful sabaki-esque sequences depending on what happened. I need to be slightly careful, as I cannot under any circumstances let White cut L4 off completely, but I have certain ways around that, such as the following:

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However, my shape sucks at the bottom, he gets a ponnuki, and it's all a bit annoying. It's ok though, and a reasonable save with some reduction possibilities for later. Unfortunately, after playing the contact, I saw the circled point (original diagram, at O3), and can't find a particularly good response to it.

So, there's some really huge aji in that stone, and I want it gone.

The latest contact is also pretty big, but more importantly than that, some of the complicated "nearly working" fights for White run very much into that area of the board - particularly the ones where he has to "run out". I mean, even looking at the latest sequence, if you add a White stone over there, it doesn't look nice at all, and my lower right influence is minimal:

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Now, I could simply start the fight on the right instead, but I think my L4 stone is too important not to have to return to - so if I respond to the last move, I'm still going to have to find clever ways of handling him getting the momentum of the first fight going, knowing that some of the other resistances than I've just shown have been given an extra weapon or two.

So, I figure this move pretty much eliminates the aji, gives me outside influence as it limits his sabaki options, and the last move he's made can't easily make a base even with an extra move. Not only that, but because I have also made good territory here, and threaten to hane under now and make a bunch more territory, his single stone is in danger of becoming heavy simply because of its value relative to me taking the whole, large, corner. There's just way too many pros for playing this, especially as I have half an eye on his middle wall becoming an attackable group (especially now he has another stone to care for!)

I presume he's now going to follow up something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm47 Prisoners: :b100: :w100: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . B . 6 X 4 . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O 3 . 7 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He may not, that's a lot of lost aji in the very lower right corner (he may just skip

and

), but it's a hard fight for him now, and he can't use and abuse the remainder of the possibilities of

, as I've just taken most of them away. If I can cash reasonably substantially, and gain some semblance of sente (by taking this move, I also give him a harder time of keeping sente as he has to try to settle that stone), I can then aim at a corner move in the top left, which I really want before deciding what to do in the lower left. Something like this perhaps?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm55 Prisoners: :b100: :w100: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . 3 O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As an aside, I'm slightly worried about the open nature of my group in the top right, so I'm hoping he's going to be forced into strengthening it to look after his stone - if I can take points at the bottom, induce him to fix some of my aji on the right, and keep sente, I think I'll have gotten a good result. This of course means I suspect all this won't end up happening.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:29 pm

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:18 pm

FWIW, in case people want to see more reasoning of mine, I considered the following for my 49:

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And I've considered my responses to the following possibilities for him on 50:

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Ask if you want to know my thoughts any of them.

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:57 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . 4 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . c . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . b X . . X d . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X a O 1 . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My first reaction is that topazg blinked here. It seems like

is virtually a pass in terms of the right side. I think that the Q6 stone is a much bigger prize for Black to target than the N4 stone. In addition, in yose I can still pull out the N4 stone with "a" or hane at "b" and play the atari at "c" if that fits the situation better.

I am currently pondering whether to settle with disrupting the bottom right starting with the "d" or to go all out and play

against the upper right. It is not clear to me that Black can naturally extinguish the Q6 stone from a distance with plays around

here. If I can reduce the upper right in sente it may be possible to come back to "b" later anyway. I have to think about it and post later.

cdybeijing · Post by **cdybeijing** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:15 pm

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:33 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: :b100: :w100: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X 0 . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:09 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: :b100: :w100: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 2 X W . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . 3 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let me know if you disagree

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:00 am

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I accept your offer.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:09 am

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Hmmm, I'd only half read this as I didn't think it very likely for White. I had the following in mind:

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Seems ok enough for me, I've cashed points in the lower right, kept some points on the right, and either kept sente if he plays to save the three stones, or at least neutralised some of his central influence with my bottom group. However, I wonder if he's aiming at this?

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If so, that really messes up my shape some, and he keeps sente to boot. He wouldn't be 6 dan if he didn't see things I missed, but this is still rather painful.

This is the best I can see:

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Now we enter a very curious and complicated choice. If he cuts off my stones I get to up the stakes:

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Of course, he doesn't have to connect, but then I profit:

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So, I figure he can't cut the stones off, which means something like:

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Actually,

could be aji keshi. But at least, if I connect after all this, I haven't really suffered any losses other than right side territory that I never completely had in the first place. This is complicated stuff. I'm not even going to bother counting until the top left and bottom left are more resolved, but I don't feel too bad about the current position.

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:35 am

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topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:50 am

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