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by Loons Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:59 pm
$$Wcm40
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I must confess I don't know joseki here at all, but unless Ed has some serious tech against Q15, I don't feel uncomfortable. Some moves look a bit scary, but he seems always one move behind if trying anything whimsical (famous last words).
Hmm.
$$Wcm40
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm40$$Wcm40 I always believed white to be dead here, maybe R12 saves it.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm40 I always believed white to be dead here, maybe R12 saves it.
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by EdLee Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:06 pm
Double-checking the
push:
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WVariation. Either way, the general idea is to try to make the
stones awkward,
and the
stones efficient.
$$W
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by EdLee Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:15 pm
$$Wm42
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by Loons Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:47 pm
$$Wcm42
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Oops, wishful thinking. Too late to take it back now, I guess
Playing moves quickly
If someone would care to post a "default" sequence for Ed's probe, I'd be much obliged.
Edit 2: Diagrams.
Hmm, also not desirable:
$$Wm42 If black tenuki, a b c
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm42 If black tenuki, a b c
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by EdLee Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:56 pm
$$Wm44
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by Loons Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:00 pm
$$Wcm44 Prisoners: :w1:
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Okay, we are playing my diagram from before. Maybe I'm seeing ghosts.
What I was briefly afraid of:
$$Wm44 :w1:
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I'm going to have to live on top, but ideally in a way that eats at Ed's points.
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by EdLee Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:55 pm
Pondering the ko and other variations.
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WThe capture on
is a bit unexpected (and interesting).
I was expecting the second diagram in Post #92 -- B extending instead.
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by EdLee Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:16 am
A thought.
If
atari and
connects...
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W...B seems to get an inferior result to having extended instead:
$$W Var. from Post #92
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W Var. from Post #92So maybe connecting at
is not a good option for B.
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by Loons Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:30 am
$$Wm44 :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm44 :w1:Every group has a nemesis, with just a little imagination. Except white's x group has a corner, and white's O group uses half as many stones. Maybe not that similar.
Unrelatedly, a title of "a thought" fills me with fear of:
Loons played
that because he misread
this .
Edit:
It might be more interesting to compare groups by who's corner it started as and how late they were played, which match quite well for our board.
$$Wm44 :w1:
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Something else that becomes very evident, I feel, is that Q14 enclosure was a much worse move than K16, if I haven't said that already.
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by EdLee Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:38 pm
$$Wm46 Prisoners: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm46 Prisoners: :w1:EDIT: I dropped Loons' captured
stone; put it back.
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by Loons Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:48 pm
$$Wcm46
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Will you mind if I switch to using coordinates on the game board ?
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by EdLee Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:57 pm
Loons, you and others are welcome to use coordinates, no problem.
Would it be OK if I don't use them?
$$Wm48 Prisoners: :w1:
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Forced. I got ninja'd by Loons as I was editing my notes for
atari,
and I also noticed I dropped Loon's captured stone, so I have to go back and edit the
post.
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by EdLee Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:09 pm
I was still editing these notes for
when Loons ninja'd
:
I thought there were only 2 choices for
: (a) connect or (b) atari:
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WGoing back a bit, instead of
capture, if
nobi,
I don't think the following variation works for B, since (c) and (d) are miai for W:
$$B
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by Loons Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:18 pm
Yeah, that's fine.
$$Wcm49 Prisoners: :w1:
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I really hope I notice that one of these moves is obviously better than the others.
push:
stones awkward,
stones efficient.
is a bit unexpected (and interesting).
connects...
stone; put it back. 
atari,
nobi,