It is currently Wed May 14, 2025 7:49 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 262 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 14  Next
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #101 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 10:36 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm70 Move 70
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Hmmmm, looks like he's just dead to me now - and here was me wondering how best to set up a double ko on the left to guarantee a non-ko life... anyone interested in that analysis post, and I'll put it up :)

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #102 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 10:56 am 
Gosei

Posts: 1387
Liked others: 139
Was liked: 111
GD Posts: 209
KGS: Marcus316
topazg wrote:
Hmmmm, looks like he's just dead to me now - and here was me wondering how best to set up a double ko on the left to guarantee a non-ko life... anyone interested in that analysis post, and I'll put it up :)


For topazg:
Please do post it. :) I'd like to see what you were thinking of.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #103 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 11:17 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 614
Liked others: 28
Was liked: 65
Rank: 1 Kyu KGS
KGS: Numsgil
topazg: sorry, still thinking.

Arg, so I did not see that white could just not defend and instead force me to lose some liberties. White is ahead in the capture race. And I don't see a way to force ko. Still, the sequence only cost me ko threats and essentially a wasted move. Not the end of the world.

Though the black group on the edge is now in a bit of trouble. Losing it, too, would really dent that 70 point reverse komi. I need to escape or things start looking grim.

_________________
1k KGS

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #104 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:11 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
For Marcus and other observers that want to see my overthinking craziness:

The top left

Ok, well, I assumed he'd connect to make his eye, leaving me with a ko I must capture. If he did, I wanted to take the time to remove a lot of the bad aji from the left group by sealing it in completely. Sadly, this gets awkward. If I don't, I can create a permanent seki due to shortage of liberties, which I can then use to attack that middle group - provided the aji isn't too severe, as follows:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm69 A local seki - 77 captures 2, 78 at 70
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X 2 O X 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 O O X 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 3 O X O 6 O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Annoyingly, Black can now create a two stage ko for life on the left, with a huge amount of local ko threats (to escape):

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm79 Side ko
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 0 5 4 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 1 O 3 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 2 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, naturally, I want to tenuki to remove that aji, but can I?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm69 2 move approach ko I - 77 captures 2, 78 at 70
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 O O X 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 3 O X O 8 O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm79 2 move approach ko II
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | b O 3 O 1 X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | a O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This may initially look favourable, but Black's virtually ko monster, because all he has to do is keep running with that group on the left, and he's got at least 10 ko threats. I simply don't have many, and if he ignores one he turns it into about a 60 point direct ko in the corner with "a" or "b". Which means I'm in a lot of trouble - he's going to escape. What's worse, he has a liberty trick up his sleeve too, playable pretty early on:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm69 Actually a direct ko I
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X 2 O X . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 O O X 1 X O O 9 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 3 O X O 8 O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm79 Actually a direct ko II
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . X a O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here, he manages to prevent me from getting "a" because of a shortage of liberties, which forces me to capture the laddered stones first, allowing him to play 79 inside, turning the whole thing into a horrible horrible direct ko. So, my response is to capture with 74 instead:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm69 Double Ko I
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X 2 O X . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 O O X 1 X O O 9 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 3 O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | 7 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm79 Double Ko II
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O 1 X a O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 3 O X O 4 O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O . O 2 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here, if he fills the ko, I can play at "a" and return it to the two move approach ko, and it looks like the best I can do. However, more and more it looks like I can't kill outright, which is really annoying. Originally, I thought this double ko worked, but the shortage of liberties issue at the top means all it does is prevent the even more icky direct ko, but still doesn't fix things completely.

However, now I have an easier time of things - now, there's no real liberty race any more:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 White wins
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X 8 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 O O X 1 X O O 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 O X X 5 X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O 4 O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | a X X O . O 6 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . b O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Even with the shortage of liberties play at the top, I'm still one ahead. I also don't have to worry about "a" creating the two stage ko on the left, because I can respond to it with "b" as it doesn't take away any of my liberties. So, what's the bad middle aji left? (see next hide tag)


The left hand side

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Sacrifice
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 6 4 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 0 1 O 3 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 2 5 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 a O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If Black can't get out, this is the sensible way to sacrifice for thickness I think, and is some compensation for the loss. However, if Black tries to save everything, it's complicated:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Running away I
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 4 O 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O 3 0 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 2 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm81 Running away II
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O c O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O d . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O b 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O 4 a . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O 1 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


"a" is now a working ladder for Black, and White can't play "b" without "c" causing a shortage of liberties. White wants to play "d", but again that doesn't affect the ladder. This just looks like an impossible task. What else can White do?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm86 Running away III
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O a d . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O b X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O O c . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think the hane here for White works. If Black "a", White "b", if Black "b", White "a". If Black "d", White "b", if Black "c", White can extend without dying. Something like:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm86 Running away IV
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O 9 6 . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O 7 X X 1 8 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X 5 . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Even here it hasn't finished though, as if Black connects and White tenukis:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm97 Running away V
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O 3 O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O 1 O 4 O 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O 2 O O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That thickness is intolerable, and may give Black a really good top right. So instead I must respond, and we still have a funny double ladder thingy going on that I can't completely ignore (a-g):

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm96 Running away VI
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O 6 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . 0 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O 4 O . 9 8 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O 2 O 5 O . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O 3 O O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X O d e , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . O a c f . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . b g . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There's just so many reasons I wanted to kill that aji on the left firmly! Maybe I should actually connect at E12 instead thinking about it. Bleh. Let's see how the game goes first ;)

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #105 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:01 am 
Gosei

Posts: 1387
Liked others: 139
Was liked: 111
GD Posts: 209
KGS: Marcus316
Thanks topazg ... it's interesting to see how you think about the position. I have to admit, in situations like this I'm more likely to play like Magicwand (whatever feels best), only I don't quite have his intuition. :D

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #106 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:05 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Marcus wrote:
Thanks topazg ... it's interesting to see how you think about the position. I have to admit, in situations like this I'm more likely to play like Magicwand (whatever feels best), only I don't quite have his intuition. :D


Me too on places like DGS and OGS, but real time and Malkovich I try to train my reading. Generally, in my experience, the harder you try to read, and read, and read, the better your intuition comes - from a combination of finding flaws in your own intuition when reading and watching the reading of stronger players :)

Also, my problem is getting the reading actually correct. I'm now panicking about the following:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm86 Running away III variation
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O 2 O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ah, so much fun :D

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #107 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 2:29 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 614
Liked others: 28
Was liked: 65
Rank: 1 Kyu KGS
KGS: Numsgil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Move 71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
So I'm mostly going on gut right now. These were the moves I was considering:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Move 71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . c . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . d . . . . . b . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


'a' is an attempt to keep the now rather strong white group in the center from attaching to the corner stones. If I don't go 'a', white can go 'a' and connect easily.

'b' is a forcing exchange that burns the aji of the laddered stones to get an extra move. After the forcing exchange:

'c' approaches white's strong position on the right and tries to cramp it a bit. If white extends towards 'c' to protect his base, he's over concentrated.

'd' just takes the spot white needs to make shape. It also threatens to cut (see tactics below).


Tactics and Variations
So here's one continuation. Black's group on the left has 1 eye still. But black can successfully cut white (Black 81 at E10). But most of the moves feel like they strengthen white more than necessary.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Move 71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 . X X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . 9 O . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O 0 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So analyzing the above, we find that the shape stealing cut is the most important part. So let's just shape steal and then cut:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Move 71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O 8 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . O 4 5 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But now black's side group only has 4 liberties. That's not good.

So maybe add back in the sequence that lets me build a large eye on the side:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Move 71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 . X X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O 8 9 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But now the cut isn't forcing either. So then we're back to the first diagram.

_________________
1k KGS

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #108 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:10 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm72 Move 72
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

See last analysis... response to Marcus' query :)

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #109 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:24 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 614
Liked others: 28
Was liked: 65
Rank: 1 Kyu KGS
KGS: Numsgil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm73 Move 73
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just continuing my first diagram from last time.

_________________
1k KGS

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #110 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:57 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm74 Move 74
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 1 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Wow, that was unexpected!! I'll just make sure the group dies without leaving the ability for Black to create thickness on this left edge, and eye up how to handle Black's two loose isolated group/stones in the middle area.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #111 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:09 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 2116
Location: Silicon Valley
Liked others: 152
Was liked: 330
Rank: 2d AGA
GD Posts: 1193
KGS: lavalamp
Tygem: imapenguin
IGS: lavalamp
OGS: daniel_the_smith
Black 73 gives up an awful lot of aji for no benefit that I can see.

_________________
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
--
My (sadly neglected, but not forgotten) project: http://dailyjoseki.com

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #112 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:40 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 614
Liked others: 28
Was liked: 65
Rank: 1 Kyu KGS
KGS: Numsgil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Tactics and Variations
So that wasn't a move I was expecting, but seeing it on the board it works well for white, since it also guards against that cut I was planning. So that's a bit aggravating. Good for him :P

Here's literally a stream-of-consciousness of my reading (because I'm too lazy to edit it to remove bad sequences :P)

So here's a sequence where I cut:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O 7 O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O 9 O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . 5 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O 2 4 . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ends poorly for white. So then maybe this sequence instead, and I break out into the center.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O 6 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O 2 4 . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Still not good. So I think this is the sequence he'll play:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black isn't in a good position. Wedge:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O 3 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . . O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O 7 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So basically I don't see a way to get in a good position against white. At least not on this side. Maybe from the other side:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 2 . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Something like this feels okay. If white responds differently, so he threatens to kill the black group, I can just expand out from the corner, and sacrifice it for territory.

_________________
1k KGS

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #113 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:02 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 614
Liked others: 28
Was liked: 65
Rank: 1 Kyu KGS
KGS: Numsgil
More Tactics and Variations
This is the most probably response:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 4 . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I trade my black group for maybe 10 points on the side. White wins out point-wise, but I think it's a reasonable salvage of the situation.

Here's another line. Not better or worse, but more complicated certainly.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 5 O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 3 . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
1k KGS

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #114 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:54 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm76 Move 76
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 1 O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Man, I was really tempted to treat that as gote. I really really want to. There are some big and some fairly concerning points left on the board:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O b . . . . . . d . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . c . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . e . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . f . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . a . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 h O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . g . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


"a" breaks the ladder, so it's Black's sente, and I don't want to have my right group attacked. So, I really want to take "a" first, which Black would probably give me in sente. Similarly "b" is sente against the top, so it helps Black get thicker at no cost - useful if he wants to develop the top right. However, it's quite slow really, and even though It helps me pick up another two stones, I can't believe it's big enough for me to play. Instead, I'm tempted to try and eat them on a bigger scale with "c" or "d". "c" is looking at following up with either "d" or "e" depending on Black's response, and "d" has good chances of living in the corner. That side, living in the corner and giving Black a big wall seems to strategically go against what I've been playing, so I'm probably going to go with "c". "a" in sente followed by "c" feels like a nice flow if I can get it. "f" on the edge feels like a big stretch, but I'm happy enough playing this way while I'm still behind, it's just so clearly gote and the top side of that corner is more urgent than the right side of that corner. Finally, on the other side, "g" is something I've been wanting to play for a while now. Originally I wanted the 2-4 point as a kind of probe, because if I had a territorial position on the left I figured bC3 wC5 as a response was reasonable enough - especially if I could overconcentrate Black in the corner. Now I have some form of thickness on both sides, I want to either live in the corner or cut Black in half and go attacking again, so I've switched to D3.

Finally, my move, "h". It's solid, thick, pressing down on Black's position, either sente or big gote profit, and fixes almost all of my remaining bad aji. What's more, Black may not even have a followup that can threaten to save his left group, which means I should take sente from this sequence. If I do, I'm after "a", "c", and "g" in that order, and then a proper scorecount when the dust settles.


Tactics and Variations

So, do I really need to play this passive looking move? Probably not, but the aji fixing nature of it is really nice for me, especially as I want to carry on attacking - removing your own bad aji before attacking is very important. Its shape is nice, Black now has to worry about whether he accepts silly crawling second line territory nonsense, or gives up yet another stone for a 6+ point profit to me. Also, I have concerns about this weird looking wedge:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm77 Move 77
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . a 3 b X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Regardless of which way around 2 and 3 are, "a" and "b" have become miai for Black. The fact that means I simply cannot stop Black either living on the edge or cutting me in half seems intolerable, and I can't seem to easily dodge. If I respond to 1 with "a" or "b" myself, it fixes nothing, it just gives him an easier job of it. If I'm cut in two and have a not yet settled group, how do I intend on attacking in the middle? I can't. My alternative is giving up that Black group I just killed, and I can't afford to give away 15 points so carelessly. So I want a move that fixes all this quite urgently, keeps Black's group dead, threatens to develop, increases my thickness, makes good shape, and is sente.

Bizarrely and unlikely enough, my move seems to do all these things with the possible exception of the sente bit - and as bumping a 2nd line stone on the head when it appears under a 4th line stone is a normal response when White doesn't really want to look after territory on either side, everything feels right about it. My shape having played it makes me very happy too, it's all table-y and efficient and elegant looking. So, it's my move.

What might happen next? I assume Black will extend either upwards or downwards. If he extends down, I definitely tenuki. If he extends up, I either block because it's likely to be very sente, or I block on the lower side and try to kill everything. I'll see how I feel and post the lines when I see what he's going to play :)


Score and Counting

Funny counting with letters and pairs to demonstrate how cool and easy it is to do when there are dead things on the board:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm76 Move 76
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | w O k l O c . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | w O O j O b O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | x O h i l a O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | x O O g f O d O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | v O t O m O e O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | y u s O m O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | y z r O n n . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | z a q p o O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a b b O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . a a e |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O a O O . X b b e |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O b c . O X c c f |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . d d f |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


for the time being, I'm marking that out. Where a letter is on its own, it's a captured stone, else it's a pair of territory. Each letter is worth two points. So a-z + a + b in the top right = 28 letters = 56 points. 6 points lower right against 12 black. I make that a 50 point lead. I think Black can get more points than me in the top right and bottom left, so throwing a random number of 15 more points than I get out there means I'm 35 points ahead at least right now - so half the deficit has gone. I was hoping for 10 points every 30 moves, which makes me as far as I had planned on move 105. I'm happy, let's see what happens next :)

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #115 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 10:13 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 614
Liked others: 28
Was liked: 65
Rank: 1 Kyu KGS
KGS: Numsgil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm77 Move 77
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
Again not what I was expecting. Though in hind sight this is a fairly obvious move for white. It combines shape with stomp. ("shomp"? "stape"?)

The following are some read out variations.

Here's a line I've read out. I think it saves the black group.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm77 Move 77
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | 3 2 4 . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here's another line. This one ends poorly for black (only one eye still).

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm77 Move 77
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | 7 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 1 O , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black is dead.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm77 Move 77
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 4 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This wedge seems to work well in this line as a sacrifice.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm77 Move 77
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 5 2 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O 1 O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 7 . 6 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way leads to a ko (good for me, I have more threats I think).

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm77 Move 77
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O 1 O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | 5 4 7 2 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So wedge FTW!

_________________
1k KGS

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #116 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:50 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm78 Move 78
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

I want thickness in the middle, and I want to be connected. This gives me both. As long as the clamp at B10 doesn't work for him (and I'm about 95% sure I can play B9 and keep his group dead) then the last exchange just fixes some aji and strengthens my influence in the middle.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #117 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:19 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 614
Liked others: 28
Was liked: 65
Rank: 1 Kyu KGS
KGS: Numsgil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm79 Move 79
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
Continuing from my last diagrams. This should let me secure life for myself on the side here.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm79 Move 79
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm79 Move 79
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | 3 2 5 . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
1k KGS

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #118 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:21 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm80 Move 80
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Here goes ... he'll play on the edge, I'll connect, and then there's lots of eyestealing fun I can do. I believe he's still dead.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #119 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:28 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 614
Liked others: 28
Was liked: 65
Rank: 1 Kyu KGS
KGS: Numsgil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm81 Move 81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | 1 O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
Things seem to be going according to plan. Some more variations. Black lives in all of them. The second one is best for white.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm81 Move 81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 4 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | 1 O 3 6 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm81 Move 81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | 1 O 2 . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm81 Move 81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | 1 O 2 . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
1k KGS

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #120 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:32 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm82 Move 82
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O 1 . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

As planned ... simple kill variation in black box


Tactics and Variations

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm82 Miai of A and B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | b X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . a X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O 1 . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm82
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 2 X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O 1 . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm82 Miai of A and B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O X O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | b 5 X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 3 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O 1 . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . a . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 262 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 14  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group