It is currently Mon May 19, 2025 4:38 pm

View unanswered posts | View active topics View unread posts | View new posts | View your posts


Board index » L19²GO (Malkovich) » 1-on-1 Malkovich games

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]



Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 8 of 13
  [ 254 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ... 13  Next
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #141 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:05 am 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
Loons, sorry about the delay. My summer has just begun its busy period.
My moves may be super slow until the end of August. Sorry! :oops:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wm56 Prisoners: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O 1 . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
(p)
joppon wrote:
Something for later. W2 is necessary.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . 2 O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . 1 O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
No.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B :w2: tenuki
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X 0 6 8 O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . 9 X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . 3 O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O 4 1 O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . 5 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #142 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:31 am 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
I'll quote my favorite line from Dave & Graham's game, Post #193-- viewtopic.php?f=37&t=4126&start=180
ez4u wrote:
I still have no clue what is best.
I knew a long time ago that this summer would be very busy for me,
so finding the time to really study the variations has been a challenge.
Not to mention I find the current situation difficult.

I'm not sure if :w56:( :wc:) is sente, but if B tenuki:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W1
$$ ---------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . 9 . 7 O 6 X . . .
$$ | . . . O X 8 X 4 O . . X O
$$ | . . O O W . 3 5 . O . . O
$$ | . . X . . . 1 2 . . O . .
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . .
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . .[/go]
Thanks to :wc:, W does not have to reply to :b4: at :b6:; W can cut with :w5:.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #143 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:45 am 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
I've been looking at the B(a) push-and-cut, and how to fix it in sente.
This variation works, but B does not have to play it:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W1
$$ ---------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . .
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . O
$$ | . . X a . . . . . . O . .
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . .
$$ | . 3 1 X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 4 2 . . . . X . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . .[/go]
Instead, B can crawl with :b2: and I'm still left with the cut:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W1
$$ ---------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . .
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . O
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . .
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . .
$$ | . 2 1 X . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 4 3 . . . . X . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . .[/go]
So after searching in vain, I settled with the bamboo joint :w56:, which may not be sente. :-|
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons
Post #144 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:51 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1378
Location: wHam!lton, Aotearoa
Liked others: 253
Was liked: 105
No worries, as always. Hope you're having a good (if busy) time.
Ed's move is a nice threat to cut/kill my two (more) top stones. I don't like saving dame stones, but I don't like just letting 'em die, especially while Ed's life is a carpenter's square-shape (he may have to take gote in future if I save them). Maybe it's big as in should-try-and-get-it-later big. Who knows, I have a wild headache.

Quite sure I'm leaving them for later (double-gote not big, assuming it is gote for me also...).

_________________
Revisiting Go - Study Journal
My Programming Blog - About the evolution of my go bot.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #145 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:53 am 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
Loons, thanks. Busy for sure, 'good' is relative. :mrgreen:
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline emeraldemon
 Post subject: Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons
Post #146 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:50 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1744
Liked others: 704
Was liked: 288
KGS: greendemon
Tygem: greendemon
DGS: smaragdaemon
OGS: emeraldemon
My sealed move:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wm56 Prisoners: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O 1 . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


I don't know how exactly to play it, but to me this lone stone on the right seems like the vital point of the board.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons
Post #147 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:30 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1378
Location: wHam!lton, Aotearoa
Liked others: 253
Was liked: 105
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Eh, I've been wanting to play this jaunty cap for a dog's age, trying to unite my right side in purpose.

Leaving E13 sente to cut off my centre stones is a bit grim, pointing to an earlier mistake I'm unsure of. I'm not going to spend sente fixing it now, as the middle is very open.

Back to the current move, I expect some kind of local sabaki from Ed next (maybe he will find a good variation from jump->crosscut* or something), though he may also try/manage to live locally. Will be interesting. I expect sente, with which I imagine I'll revisit top-middle, and then finally c2. Of course, Ed is also playing this game...

*ie P12 O12 O11

_________________
Revisiting Go - Study Journal
My Programming Blog - About the evolution of my go bot.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #148 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:15 am 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
First feelings: my guess is Loons thinks killing :wc: and taking the right side is bigger than giving up :bc: :bc:,
which at first glance is probably true. There are like 10,000 variations to read on the right side.
I have no choice but to take the time and read as much as I can. :-?
With W(e), B is ready to activate the aji of B(f) push W(g) B(h) atari,
so I must be very careful with the (e) side variations.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O B . B . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . f O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O g . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . h . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . e . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . d b a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #149 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:35 pm 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
After some sleep, I noticed when :black:(f) push, instead of :white:(g) block,
I had missed :white:(j) connect. So now there's renewed hope for :w58:(e).
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$------------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ . O . f O X X X O . . |
$$ . . O g j O X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . e . O . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #150 Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:12 am 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
After :b4: I don't see a good reply for W, so :w1: doesn't look too promising.
Next candidate: :w58: at (k).
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$---------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . 2 1 . O . . |
$$ . . . . 3 X 4 . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . k . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$----------------------[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #151 Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:50 pm 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
After :b2:, W also starts to feel heavy.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$---------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ . . . . . . 2 X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$----------------------[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons
Post #152 Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:09 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1378
Location: wHam!lton, Aotearoa
Liked others: 253
Was liked: 105
The reason my cap is jaunty:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . b . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Given the choice of gaps 'a' and 'b' to work with, there is no choice.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . b . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Now, 'a' still isn't very attractive, and gap 'b' is a line smaller. As a flipside, attaching to :b57: is a little more interesting.

_________________
Revisiting Go - Study Journal
My Programming Blog - About the evolution of my go bot.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #153 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:43 am 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wm58 Prisoners: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #154 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:55 am 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
There were too many variations for me. :oops: I couldn't find anything very good for W --
I probably missed something, but :b57: seems to be quite effective.
So let's try this and see what happens. :)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm57
$$----------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . e . O . . |
$$ . . . . . 1 m . . . |
$$ , . . . . d b a . . |
$$ . . . . . . c k . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ . . . . . . . X O . |[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons
Post #155 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:54 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1378
Location: wHam!lton, Aotearoa
Liked others: 253
Was liked: 105
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm59 Prisoners: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Oh, exciting. Only obvious response for me (I assume you agree). I hope white P12 doesn't work too well now.

Edit: Some variations while we wait.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm59 Prisoners: :w1: -- 'a' bad shape, and black can't really resist 'b'
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm59 Prisoners: :w1: -- I was briefly interested by this. It's as ridiculous/bad as it looks.
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . B O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . B . B . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm59 Prisoners: :w1: -- Solid on one side and too thin on the other.
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X C X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Game move variation(s):
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm59 Prisoners: :w1: -- For reference.
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 C X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 4 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O C 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm59 Prisoners: :w1: -- :w60: or threatening :w60: seems like a strong response.
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Still under investigation. I was content because I couldn't see white crushing me locally somehow.

_________________
Revisiting Go - Study Journal
My Programming Blog - About the evolution of my go bot.


Last edited by Loons on Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:28 am, edited 1 time in total.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #156 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:59 am 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
First feeling is cross cut; before :w58: I had already read some of the variations of the cross cut,
but I'll study some more to make sure. Judging from Loons' response time, perhaps he also had anticipated :w58:
as a possibility before he played :b57:. Sleep now. :mrgreen:
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #157 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:59 pm 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
A variation of :b59:: if :b1: pull-back, I might play :w2: -- seems this doesn't work for B:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$----------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ . . . . . . . X O . |[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #158 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:02 pm 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
Another variation of :b59:: if :b1: jump-back, I might still play :w2: -- after :w6:, it looks OK for W:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$----------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ , . . . . 6 2 1 . . |
$$ . . . . . 4 3 5 . . |
$$ . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ . . . . . . . X O . |[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #159 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:27 pm 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wm60 Prisoners: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #160 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:35 pm 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
I couldn't get the cross-cut to work. For example:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$----------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X 1 . . |
$$ . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ . . . . . . X W X . |
$$ . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ . . . . X . X . O . |[/go]
Variation:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$----------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X 1 . . |
$$ . . . . . . O X 2 . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ . . . . X . X . O . |[/go]
Either way, the :w1: group cannot get out.
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 8 of 13
  [ 254 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 ... 13  Next

Board index » L19²GO (Malkovich) » 1-on-1 Malkovich games

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group