Thoughts on Go Back Principles:
I would propose that we stick to the first played line if at all possible, going back to it after a go-back seems to be <also> not an improvement (though obviously it might take some moves to establish this). What're others' feelings?
My reasoning is that tonnes of moves are fine in the opening, so clearly identifying and go-backing mistakes seems more important than contemplating the hypothetical "best" of two even but different results. Mistakenly or correctly evaluating results as not even is of course, interesting, but I think we probably also want to keep the splitting to a minimum as well (avoid having lots of rather inactive games).
On the diagram vs. SGF front:
What if we keep playing moves as diagrams (very easy and clean looking) but post an updated and complete (ie with variations and verdict) SGF periodically? Perhaps after a go back becomes established/refuted.
Edit: With respect to the posting of sequences for forcing moves or well-established joseki - I think this is fine. Going back on a joseki variation or deviation and forcing a superior result seems interesting.
Go Back - Game 2
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Re: Go Back - Game 2
It was not my intention to derail this game as it seems I did. If I did can you please indicate where my postings are not in line with your proposals. Feel free to go back there, repair my interference and proceed from there. From your post it is not clear to me when it is acceptable to change a previous move. Is it only after some sort of consensus that the move was wrong? If so, who is consensus?
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Re: Go Back - Game 2
We seem here courtesy of cyclops, though Ed at one point posted a local variation that went longer.
Edit: Hang on, my claim that this is our "original" sequence seems just a little spurious. As you will.
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Re: Go Back - Game 2
"Those who calculate greatly will win; those who calculate only a little will lose, but what of those who don't make any calculations at all!? This is why everything must be calculated, in order to foresee victory and defeat."-The Art of War
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Re: Go Back - Game 2
White's attacking. We did play all those fourth line moves. "Chase with the knight's move," so they say.
Also on the proverbial front - "profit while attacking." White can bring his lower left group out to the centre, and perhaps start consolidating top while harrying black's group.
Admittedly, white has concerns elsewhere- bottom right shimari is becoming a little lonely. Black's moyo plays on bottom and right are as yet unchallenged.
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. It's still reducing liberties!)
, ignoring B4 and the black group's status:-
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Re: Go Back - Game 2
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EdLee wrote:W would fight with B. My first feeling is this fight is good for W, sowas too much.
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Agreed, the loose ladder works for White, which means Black doesn't have time to save the cutting stone, which means he shouldn't have played it in the first place.
, "a" and "b" all look interesting - I'm thinking is best because Black "c" is not only a double wing, but a pretty vulnerable point in White's formation at the top.-
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Re: Go Back - Game 2
topazg wrote:
Agreed, the loose ladder works for White,
@topatg: err i am lost : what loose ladder ?
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