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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #261 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:17 am 
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very strong game by kirby.
sorry for playing so poorly.
i will try to discuss after reading hidden.

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #262 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:19 am 
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Post #263 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:20 am 
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Thanks for playing, Magicwand. I really enjoy the opportunity to play you.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #264 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:22 am 
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i am not sure if below works but...i should have played as below.
then i would have better chance..
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . 6 5 . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O 4 9 X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O 8 7 O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #265 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:51 am 
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[go]$$Wcm111 white: 2 black: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O . . X . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . . X 3 . , C . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O . . . O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


as kirby stated.. i should have played there..
but...i wasnt sure if it works..
that is one move i regret most.

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #266 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:53 am 
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I suppose in this situation, black should play here:
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O 4 . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


since white still has the shortage of liberties issue in the marked spot.

However, I think White may then be inclined to threaten as in the game:
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O 0 9 O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X 7 X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . 8 . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm151 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O X 2 X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X 1 X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O X O O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O C O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So maybe black cannot try to kill, above, if white takes the ko. Instead, probably I would do this:
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . 8 . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X C O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X 7 X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . 9 . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white plays the last move in the sequence, above, then I'd maybe play at the marked spot to try to ensure that the rest dies.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #267 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:19 pm 
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what if i play 147 as below?
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . 5 6 7 . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O 4 . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kirby
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Post #268 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:20 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
what if i play 147 as below?
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . 5 6 7 . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O 4 . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Then maybe I'd lose. Haha.

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Post #269 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:23 pm 
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I wonder if I should play this, then:

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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . W . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X 6 X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #270 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:32 pm 
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yea.. it might fool ddk but you are too strong :)

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Post #271 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:34 pm 
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yea.. it might fool ddk but you are too strong :)


I don't know if I can say that, unless we play again at 2 stones. :)

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Post #272 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:18 pm 
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yea.. it might fool ddk but you are too strong :)


I don't know if I can say that, unless we play again at 2 stones. :)


set it up and i will play :)

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Post #273 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:54 pm 
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Great game from both sides! :clap: :clap: :clap:
More please! :bow: :bow: :bow:

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