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by Magicwand Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:07 am
$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0suggest me sequence if you know whole joseki.
i will accept until i am not satisfied.
below is not too bad..but i dont like giving up sente.
i will try to get sente and attack lower left corner.
so i choose to play more complicated joseki.
(i used to know whole joseki but not now.. i will make them up as i play..)
$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by Kirby Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:56 am
Alas, I do not know this joseki. Of course, I know this joseki! But I won't be giving you any easy answers.
$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by mw42 Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:17 pm
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by Kirby Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:19 pm
@mw42: Thanks, I updated it.
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by Magicwand Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:53 pm
$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Cute!
Kirby wrote: Alas, I do not know this joseki. Of course, I know this joseki! But I won't be giving you any easy answers.
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by Kirby Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:15 pm
$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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I really do not know this joseki, so I'm going to have to wing this. This move, in particular, was not that hard to select, though. My stones are split, so locally, I want to do something with them.
If I do something with my single stone - well, that just can't work:
$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0That's gotta be super good for white.
So I've got to do something to help out my two stones. I considered two options (atari-ing his single stone can't be right, either):
1.) Extend.
2.) Hane.
The simple answer is, extending seemed too lax on white. So let's make like bee-food, and hane!
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by hyperpape Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:33 pm
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by EdLee Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:51 pm
hyperpape,
hyperpape wrote: Kogo's has an interesting move in a trick variation of this joseki.
Ishida has 13 pages for
. Looking forward to Takao's version.
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by Magicwand Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:16 pm
$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0i will suggest sequence of moves.
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by gaius Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:43 am
Hidden until after joseki:
Magicwand is such a sneaky git! Is he putting up a trigger to try to avoid the ponnuki that Kirby can get because he has the ladder?
$$Wcm10 Ladder variation
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by EdLee Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:03 pm
gaius wrote: Is he putting up a trigger to try to avoid the ponnuki that Kirby can get because he has the ladder?
Most likely. And the trigger variation has lots of traps and complications.
Of course, one can just ask Magicwand to confirm this.
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by Kirby Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:24 pm
Sure, that sounds OK.
$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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I still don't know this joseki, but all of the moves in his trigger seem simple, and working.
Presumably, he'll play to cut off my group, now. Otherwise, I can escape, of course:
$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0It is good to be able to "get out" with your group. However, I feel that in this situation, it will probably be sufficient as long as I live on both sides.
Well, of course, I have to keep the game even...
Well, I have to keep it in my favor at 2 stones...
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by Magicwand Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:44 pm
$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by Kirby Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:51 pm
$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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My intent is to play here:
$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0But one hidden comment from last game that I read, which was very interesting (I think it was written by ez4u), was that I should not try to "just live". Instead, I should get whatever local benefit I can, first. Get a lot of good forcing moves in - not aji keshi, I guess. But moves I want to be playing.
I am thinking that the move I just played in the real game is a move that I want to get in, so I will play it before playing my real intent, as shown in the diagram above.
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by Magicwand Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:01 pm
$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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"The more we think we know about Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
. Looking forward to Takao's version. 
