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Offline mw42
 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #101 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:38 am 
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Just felt like pointing out that your Malkovich and mine (w/ Dusk Eagle) have the same number of posts, but ours has more views.

Not saying this makes us better than you, but Click to show
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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #102 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:54 am 
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Theirs is going faster. Y'all get every person following to read for every single post. I go away for five minutes, and Magicwand and Kirby have posted a dozen times :shock:

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Offline mw42
 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #103 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:02 pm 
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You are saying that Dusk Eagle and myself are better entertainers? I won't argue. We hold our audience rapt with deft maneuvering whereas Kirby and Magicwand rely on an inundation of flashy placements.

Okay, just kidding. <3
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Offline Kirby
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Post #104 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:21 pm 
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What can I say? My only goal here is to beat Magicwand. :-)

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #105 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:50 pm 
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X 0 8 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X 3 |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

white will sacrifice few stones for sente that was my plan from the start.
i am not sure about my variation. it seems like that i am missing something..but i dont think Kirby will catch that.

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #106 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:16 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's see how he answers this, first.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #107 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:20 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #108 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:23 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't quite get it. Maybe I misread?

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #109 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:27 pm 
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L8 escape

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Offline jts
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Post #110 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:44 pm 
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I like that MW stipulates not only L8, but also that he escapes. ;-)
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Offline tj86430
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Post #111 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:51 pm 
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jts wrote:
I like that MW stipulates not only L8, but also that he escapes. ;-)

Does he really? What about black K8?

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Offline Li Kao
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Post #112 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:55 pm 
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It doesn't look like MW escaping to me. I'm just not sure if this is a local seki or a local w-dies situation.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #113 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:56 pm 
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I think i can guess what obs are discussing . But i dont think white will die. Black has weakness too

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Offline Solomon
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Post #114 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:30 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
L8 escape
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #115 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:52 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

now Araban.... is he supporting my reading?? or questioning my reading?? i can not tell....
i will not post any diag so obs can read on their own..
i might be wrong..but usually right.
but this time i am also questioning my reading ;)

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #116 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:23 pm 
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after careful review of the board..i misread
but i still think i can win this game easily.
he may capture my group but it is not big enough to end the game.

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Post #117 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:19 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I misread this, it's game over.

Still, I don't quite get it, though.


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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 8 . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 1 O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 5 B O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 X 3 2 4 . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . 0 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I win.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #118 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:26 pm 
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Hey kid!


I'm a computer...


STOP ALL THE DOWNLOADING!

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Post #119 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:18 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . 0 . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 3 X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X 1 X 2 . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #120 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:30 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have the ladder, but if I ignore, maybe he'll play like this:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 3 . 1 . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


or this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 5 . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 1 2 4 6 . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O 7 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It might be the case that I can escape with:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 7 6 9 . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 O O 5 . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 4 O X X X . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 1 X O O O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But all of this is silly to consider, because:
1.) The first sequence shows it doesn't work anyway.
2.) The second sequence gives white a lot of forcing moves.
3.) White gets a lot of benefit on the outside.
4.) Hey, extending puts pressure on the marked stones below, anyway, so let's just play simple!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . W W X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X W W . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X W X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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