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Post #161 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:47 pm 
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I meant atari at D6.... not E6.....

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Post #162 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:03 pm 
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...how come an illegal move has two votes??


It is yet another way of not revealing anything. Which, BTW, I still contend, is the most important skill in this game. :lol:

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Post #163 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:30 pm 
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G7, though unexpected, actually seems pretty good. Therefore, topazg, Marcus and Prokofiev are all on team Black. I also agree with Joaz's accusations, which means only he and Chew are on White. QED

I vote to extend from tengen. (Either direction is the same. Are you seriously not consolidating symmetries, Phelan?)

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Post #164 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:09 pm 
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MountainGo wrote:
G7, though unexpected, actually seems pretty good. Therefore, topazg, Marcus and Prokofiev are all on team Black. I also agree with Joaz's accusations, which means only he and Chew are on White. QED


@Phelan: Everybody has, I think, assumed that there are 5 players on each team. But that was never explicitly stated, as best I can recall. Did you put 5 on each team?

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Post #165 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:52 pm 
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Everyone's been assuming that everyone is on either Team Black or Team White. How do we know, for instance, that certain players aren't on Team Chaos? Or no team at all?

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Post #166 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:38 am 
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I find it amusing to think that if I suggest a sensible or clever move for a side, people immediately assume I'm on that one. When I suggest an equally sensible or clever move for the other side, people immediately will also assume I'm on that one. Strikes me as a hard way of getting to the truth to me :P

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Post #167 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:49 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
MountainGo wrote:
G7, though unexpected, actually seems pretty good. Therefore, topazg, Marcus and Prokofiev are all on team Black. I also agree with Joaz's accusations, which means only he and Chew are on White. QED


@Phelan: Everybody has, I think, assumed that there are 5 players on each team. But that was never explicitly stated, as best I can recall. Did you put 5 on each team?


I can't say. I balanced the teams as best I could, while trying not to give information away. I might have used other things than playing strength for balance. I'll talk about it when the game ends.

Right now, I'm going away for a tournament for the weekend, so I'll be on limited access. No need to stop the game for me, though.

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Post #168 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:04 am 
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topazg wrote:
I find it amusing to think that if I suggest a sensible or clever move for a side, people immediately assume I'm on that one. When I suggest an equally sensible or clever move for the other side, people immediately will also assume I'm on that one. Strikes me as a hard way of getting to the truth to me :P


I find this interesting as well. Of course, I'm assuming that people are simply assigning a team to players in order to make them nervous ... I mean, if I were to say that Joaz was on Team White there's a 50% chance I'm correct (unless there are more options than just Team Black or Team White).

If I make a guess at 6 or 7 people and state those guesses as solid fact, there's a good chance that one or two of those guesses are correct. How would those players feel if I was correct about their team? Would they immediately post something along the lines of "It's interesting that everyone thinks I'm black, when last move everyone thought I was white ..."? Would they write a long diatribe explaining the strategy? Maybe they'd stay silent and hope that people might forget them? I suppose it would depend on the player's personality.

Another thought, since we're trying to play the metagame to the fullest: Wouldn't it be highly amusing if Phelan decided that everyone was on one team? How would we know, so long as we played by the rules? We'd have to get to the point where there were only 3 players left to truly be able to tell, unless we outright told each other.

Go Team "Balanced Opening"! :D

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Post #169 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:12 am 
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If I make a guess at 6 or 7 people and state those guesses as solid fact, there's a good chance that one or two of those guesses are correct. How would those players feel if I was correct about their team? Would they immediately post something along the lines of "It's interesting that everyone thinks I'm black, when last move everyone thought I was white ..."? Would they write a long diatribe explaining the strategy? Maybe they'd stay silent and hope that people might forget them? I suppose it would depend on the player's personality.


Or would they think "If I post this, he'll assume I'm being defensive, which means I can make him think I'm on the team I'm not" etc. The meta-gaming can be taken to no end of amusing iterations :D

Reminds me so much of this scene:



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Post #170 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:17 am 
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Post #171 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:59 am 
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topazg wrote:
I find it amusing to think that if I suggest a sensible or clever move for a side, people immediately assume I'm on that one. When I suggest an equally sensible or clever move for the other side, people immediately will also assume I'm on that one. Strikes me as a hard way of getting to the truth to me :P


With that in mind, I'm going back to G7.

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Post #172 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:11 am 
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This thread has lots of win. I'm sticking to my vote, though.

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Post #173 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:23 am 
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topazg wrote:
Marcus wrote:
If I make a guess at 6 or 7 people and state those guesses as solid fact, there's a good chance that one or two of those guesses are correct. How would those players feel if I was correct about their team? Would they immediately post something along the lines of "It's interesting that everyone thinks I'm black, when last move everyone thought I was white ..."? Would they write a long diatribe explaining the strategy? Maybe they'd stay silent and hope that people might forget them? I suppose it would depend on the player's personality.


Or would they think "If I post this, he'll assume I'm being defensive, which means I can make him think I'm on the team I'm not" etc. The meta-gaming can be taken to no end of amusing iterations :D

Reminds me so much of this scene:



Funny, because I seriously almost posted the same video a few days ago in this thread :D

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Post #174 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:51 am 
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Funny, because I seriously almost posted the same video a few days ago in this thread :D


I'm sure we were ALL thinking of this scene ... ;)

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Post #175 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 9:36 am 
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topazg wrote:
Marcus wrote:
If I make a guess at 6 or 7 people and state those guesses as solid fact, there's a good chance that one or two of those guesses are correct. How would those players feel if I was correct about their team? Would they immediately post something along the lines of "It's interesting that everyone thinks I'm black, when last move everyone thought I was white ..."? Would they write a long diatribe explaining the strategy? Maybe they'd stay silent and hope that people might forget them? I suppose it would depend on the player's personality.


Or would they think "If I post this, he'll assume I'm being defensive, which means I can make him think I'm on the team I'm not" etc. The meta-gaming can be taken to no end of amusing iterations :D
Okay, topaz is definitely on Black.

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Post #176 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 9:38 am 
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Post #177 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:25 am 
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Does this mean eventually in this game someone's going to make a joke about a group being "mostly" dead? :P

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Post #178 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:06 am 
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That clip always reminds me of this:
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Post #179 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:14 am 
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Phelan wrote:

Right now, I'm going away for a tournament for the weekend, so I'll be on limited access. No need to stop the game for me, though.


Phelan is away, so I'll post this just so everyone knows where we are now.

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[go]$$Bc Current Vote
$$ -------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . . c b . . |
$$ | . . . f 2 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . e 1 4 a . . |
$$ | . . . . d . . . . |
$$ | . . , . . . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------[/go]


a (G5): Kirby,
b (G7): topazg, Marcus, prokofiev, Joaz Banbeck
c (F7): Chew Terr
d (E4):
e (D5): fwiffo, daniel_the_smith, MountainGo
f (D6): Jordus

So, what next?

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Post #180 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:16 am 
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we vote on the top 2 moves? Unless somebody wants to change their move....

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