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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #121 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:29 am 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 7 , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #122 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:49 am 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . 8 . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have no real choice but to reduce his liberties. At a glance, it is tempting to try to break out, but it does not work. For example:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 3 X O X X . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 2 X O O O O O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O 6 . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trying to squeeze out an extra point takes away the liberty I need to survive:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 X O X X . 3 . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 X O O O O O 7 5 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 2 O 1 8 O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The only real choice other than reducing a liberty would be to take away his stone:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X O X X 9 3 . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 X O O O O O 7 5 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 6 O 8 1 C X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Which is identical to the line of play I selected:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 X O X X . 1 . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 X O O O O O 7 5 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 4 O 2 3 C X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The downside is, his wall certainly hurts the potential of the marked stone, but if he goes after it, I have the chance to attack the marked white stones. I feel OK about it. The game is simplified, now:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . W W X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X W W . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X W X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X C X X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X C C C C C X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X C C C C X O . |
$$ | . . . B . . . O O O X . X C X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X C X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #123 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:10 am 
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There is a gap in Kirby's reading. Let's see if he wakes up in time. MW will not follow the order that Kirby shows in the diagram below. If he plays :w2: early as shown, he has to use a play to fill in at :w4:. However, if he plays :w6: and :w8: first, when he finally plays :w2: Black will be in atari after :b3: and White wins the fight. Actually Kirby has to capture the single stone by the time that MW fills in all his outside liberties. Then White has to take time to fill in at :w4: before playing :w2: (as shown in one of Kirby's other diagrams above).
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 X O X X . 1 . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 X O O O O O 7 5 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 4 O 2 3 C X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Edit: Forget it. I clearly shouldn't do these just before bed! White is already in atari after :b5:. :o
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X O X X . 1 . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 X O O O O O 5 3 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #124 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:31 am 
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ez4u wrote:
There is a gap in Kirby's reading. Let's see if he wakes up in time. MW will not follow the order that Kirby shows in the diagram below. If he plays :w2: early as shown, he has to use a play to fill in at :w4:. However, if he plays :w6: and :w8: first, when he finally plays :w2: Black will be in atari after :b3: and White wins the fight. Actually Kirby has to capture the single stone by the time that MW fills in all his outside liberties. Then White has to take time to fill in at :w4: before playing :w2: (as shown in one of Kirby's other diagrams above).
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 X O X X . 1 . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 X O O O O O 7 5 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 4 O 2 3 C X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't get it:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X O X X . 1 . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 X O O O O O 5 3 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O 6 . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yes, black is in atari, but so is white, and it's black turn. What am I missing here?

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Offline ez4u
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Post #125 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:34 am 
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You're not missing a thing, :tmbup: only I am! I realized it just as you did. :bow: This is why we old guys like daal's post on visualization, sigh...

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Post #126 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:08 am 
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6h.7h sente and knight. Approach on lower left corner

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Post #127 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:25 am 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . 8 . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 X O O O O O . 0 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . 3 4 . . . O X O O O O O 2 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


His approach is good, I think. It is what I would have played if I were him. I will be satisfied if I make some life in this local area.

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Post #128 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:28 am 
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I will be satisfied if I make some life in this local area.

Wouldn't C3 guarantee that?

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Post #129 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:19 am 
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #130 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:35 am 
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . . O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Boink.

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Post #131 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:07 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . 7 O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #132 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:26 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . 8 . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There's no reason to add risk to a position that I think I'm winning from. I'm not sure if the peanut gallery disagrees with my evaluation, but I think that I'm winning.

Of course, I don't want the following sequence:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . 4 X 7 . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . 5 6 X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . 8 2 3 . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Resistance is also risky:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | 0 9 O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . 4 X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | 8 7 5 X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . 6 2 3 . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe something like this:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . b . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But the aji around 'a' and 'b' leave me fealing uneasy. So let's just play in a simple manner. I just want to live here. I don't have grand plans in this area of white strength.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #133 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:35 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

middle is tooo big. i need to play there now before he finalize the aji in the middle.

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Offline dabird
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Post #134 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:37 pm 
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I'd rather be black. I think C3 was best. Nice positional judgement.
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Post #135 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:07 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I tried to think of the strongest attack that I could, and this is what I came up with. Part of me wants to simply surround him lightly from the outside, while getting profit.

The part that made me try to attack more severely was the part that remembered a quote that Magicwand had some time ago. It went something to the effect of, "When your opponent is drowning, push him down, and don't let him survive".

I'm not sure if my move does this, but I'm going to try to "drown him".

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Post #136 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:42 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i am down...i welcome any kind of complication

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Post #137 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:01 pm 
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Kirby's move may look vigorous, but personally I feel given the global situation it's not the best choice and only gives MW a chance to come back if he gets carried away.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 1 . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #138 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:49 am 
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The move I feel on instinct is to play here:
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . 2 . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, I want to get in the move I played while I still think he'll respond the way I want him to.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #139 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:31 am 
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


exactly what i expected him to play.
when attacking weakgroup do not attach your stone to the group or let them attach to your stone.
i am down but not by much.
i think i will comeback from this before endgame..

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 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #140 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:17 am 
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . 4 . . O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I feel no stress at all.

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