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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Post #81 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:58 am 
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[go]$$Wcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O 9 . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hopefully I get a chance to strike back.

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Offline tj86430
 Post subject: Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Post #82 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:25 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


At first I thought of playing K14, but white will probably tenuki. Instead I think it's time to continue putting some pressure on the lonely white stones in lower right. I don't think he can ignore this.

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Post #83 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:45 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Bleh, I get a bit of a loss in the local area. I wish I had played there first, but there wasn't much time, I feel. I hate feeling behind, and sometimes leave behind weaknesses.

Anyway, I'll grab some profit here to make the best of the situation. He'll get my two stones.

Hopefully I can make up enough ground to compensate.

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Offline tj86430
 Post subject: Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Post #84 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:49 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X 2 . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The only move (to me at least)

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Offline Kirby
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Post #85 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:26 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #86 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:31 am 
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$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #87 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:32 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'd like to play here, instead.

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Post #88 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:57 am 
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Ok.

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$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have a feeling a shouldn't play this, but I can't see why. Surely time will tell.

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Post #89 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:34 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I probably won't get sente here, which is a bummer, but let's see if he gives it to me, again.

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 Post subject: Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Post #90 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:58 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think S6 would work here as well, but I want to avoid complications.

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Post #91 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:11 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black's right side is big. Well, I guess he has to get something.

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Post #92 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:00 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is still sente (although it may well be aji-keshi), and I want to strengthen the connection between O4 and Q4. Assuming he responds (otherwise I kill the corner) I will have a tough choice where to play next:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . a . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . b b . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . c . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


At least a-d seem interesting. A was my initial thought, but now I'm leaning towards b.

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Post #93 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:44 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 1 . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Will he give me sente? Probably not. I hope so, though!

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Post #94 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:14 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #95 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:23 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I'm kind of losing the so-called "flow" here. I need to get it back. First, though, let's stabilize this group.

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Post #96 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:47 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X . . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This may well be an overplay, but lets see what happens.

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Post #97 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:11 am 
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Somehow I feel that Kirby is not playing as aggressively as one should when giving four stones. So far I think my life has been relatively easy, and I think I'm well ahead at this point. Perhaps he is giving me a false sense of security.

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Post #98 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:13 am 
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tj86430 wrote:
So far I think my life has been relatively easy, and I think I'm well ahead at this point.


@TJ
Interesting. Could you outline where are your points, and do the same for white ? What is your estimate ?
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Post #99 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:15 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X 5 . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's not respond. That'll give him the initiative.

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Post #100 Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:29 am 
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Today I'm a bit ill and tomorrow I will be on the road again, so I will probably post my next move on Monday.
At first I naturally thought of this:

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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X 5 B X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Which leads to a complicated fight. Besides I think Kirby wouldn't have played his last move, unless there was a nasty suprise waiting for me.

Then I thought that I don't really need those two stones, so perhaps something like this:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X 1 3 X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now I have started toying with the idea of ignoring altogether. If he keeps attacking the corner I may get something bigger in return, e.g. (W3 is just an example, I haven't thought of what his best local move would be):

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X 1 . X O O . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . 3 . . . 4 . . 2 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but I don't know if that's too adventurous. We'll see.

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