121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

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Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

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[go]$$Wcm88 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O 1 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Like the kosumi in the upper-left, I think this is the strongest move. I need to be careful not to let the upper-left become ko because something will have to give. If I just let him live in the corner, I could use the resulting thickness to invade his left and hopefully keep the game even that way. So, yeah.
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Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

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[go]$$Bcm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
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Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

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Ahh, yes. The old :b89: at h2 maneuver.

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[go]$$Wcm90 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . X . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think this will live. If he wanted to try something here perhaps he should have played like this on the left:
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[go]$$Wcm90 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . Y Q . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . Q Y . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . X . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Even then I think it is difficult, but now if he lives it must be local because he has no place to run. Of course, I'm a fool and I miss self-ataris when reading so anything can happen.

He must feel like he is losing big, i.e. he cannot win at yose, because allowing :w90: is giving up a chance for black to play there and giving me the opportunity for a monkey jump.
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Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

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:)

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . 1 . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sounds like he might be trying to play mindgames with me. Might as well respond with a smiley to throw a bit back at him ;-) .
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Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

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[go]$$Wcm92 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O 1 X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What I've read.
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[go]$$Wcm92 W(a)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . 5 O 1 X 6 O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X 0 X 2 4 3 X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . a . . . . 8 7 9 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm93 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O O X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X 1 . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

All according to plan so far.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . 6 O O X 2 O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X 4 1 X 5 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm94 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O O X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . 1 X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

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You're not going to let me live, are you? :P

I resign. Thank you for the game. I'll probably try to summarize my thoughts later.
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Thanks for the game.

EDIT: And, no, I didn't intend to let you live, sorry. :D
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It won't be a pain to unhide all these comments thanks to this nifty greasemonkey script some cool guy made. :tmbup:

:b5:
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[go]$$Bcm5 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I thought this was a good move. It made me deviate from my original plan of building up the left side.


:w8:
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[go]$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . a . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . Q . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move can be played, but it usually is omitted as it removes the possibility of invasion. Regardless, not playing at (a) was probably a bad idea. This more than :wt: made this game enter unusual territory.


:b13:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 5 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 6 . . . . 2 1 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There was some discussion about this variation instead. I would have probably responded to :b1: at (a) not as in the variation.


@ez4u
I wanted to look to building up the left (hence the 3-5), and I thought after my move ( :w4: ) I'd be able to use it to hassle black's corner group and build up the left in the way. That was my initial strategy. Of course, my move may not have been very good.


:w18:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 5 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . a 3 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This probably wouldn't be so good because of the weakness at (a), but...
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 3 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

might be possible /shrug.


:b29:
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[go]$$Bcm29 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . Y . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . a . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This was a big exchange. Letting my group get surrounded is obviously huge, but I think my move was big, too. I felt like I'd be able to make small life, so adding another move didn't seem worth it. Had :bt: been at (a), I wouldn't have been able to live. So, I guess that answers the question of what move was better in that position -- the move that puts more pressure on white! ;-)


That's about it, I guess. Thanks again for the game.
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Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

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I hope this doesn't sound cocky, but I'm relieved you thought you were too far behind to win at yose. I really felt like it would be a tough endgame for me!
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Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Post by Dusk Eagle »

Heh, I didn't know anyone was using that script other than me. I never did put in the time to make it work on browsers like Chrome...

Thoughts:

:w4:
:w4: at the 3-10 point was a little odd, and I still think my 3-3 was a good response to it.

:b19:
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[go]$$Bcm19 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm still not entirely sure whether :b19: above would be better high or low. I think low here is fine: I feel it's my play later on that really cost me the game.

:b27: - :w28: - :b29:
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[go]$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My :b29: makes my shape not so good, so I think that means I should have run with my two stones at :b27: instead of letting you capture them.

General:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X X 6 3 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . W X 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W 5 X 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Throughout a lot of the game, I missed that I could play like above in the top-right. I thought if you got :w1:, I would lose a portion of the corner, but as this diagram shows that is not the case. Actually, I think I missed that if you played :w5: at :b6: and I connect, I can cut the two marked stones. I would have played this for my :b48: instead had I seen it.

:b44:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I should have tenukied to 'a' to kill the top-right corner instead of playing :b44:.

:b62:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . 8 X 2 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . O X X O 1 3 a |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O O O X . . 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O 5 b |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think :b62: should be at 'a' to take away white's sente descent at 'b'. However, I was thinking you were going to make an eye on the top no matter what and I thought :b62: above had better endgame.

:w65:
I don't quite get :w65: - if you're going to tenuki, why not tenuki someplace bigger?

:b85:
At :b85:, I felt 15-20 points down, so I just tried to pull out some last-resort moves. I think you would have won quite easily if it had just gone to endgame.

:w86:
:w86: seems like the strongest resistance, and I saw no way to continue in the corner after that (though maybe if we were playing live and you were on your final byo-yomi period... :P )


Overall, I feel it must have been my poor handling of the top-right corner that cost me the game. It'd be an interesting game to have reviewed though, as I feel I must have made mistakes that I'm simply not seeing even now.

One final note: We both screwed up the diagram numbering a lot :). :b15:, :w43:, :b67:, :b74:, :w77: ...

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Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Post by mw42 »

DuskEagle, you're right that I could have played elsewhere, but at the time I thought it important to have (a) in reserve to ensure my descent at (b) sente. However, obviously if I play :w1: elsewhere and you ignore the descent at (b) later I can play at :b2: and if you hane I get (a) in sente, so I can live.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . 2 . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . O X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O b |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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