133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm171 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . X O 8 . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm171 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . 9 . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm171 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Tough choice. I kind of wanted to tenuki, but it's pretty big here.
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm181 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X 1 . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm181 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X 2 . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Kirby wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm171 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Tough choice. I kind of wanted to tenuki, but it's pretty big here.
What was the 2nd largest move (the one you would play instead of this, but rejected as smaller)?
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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@yoyoma:
I have been playing with an idea like this:
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[go]$$Wcm171 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X B . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
With a follow up of something like this:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O 3 X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . 2 4 5 7 . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O 8 . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Though, I have not read out all possibilities.
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm181 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | 6 . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . 4 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm181 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 8 X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | 6 . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . 4 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm getting whipped in yose. :mrgreen:
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[go]$$Wcm181 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X 0 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . 9 X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . 1 X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X 2 . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I hope I'm not making a mistake...
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X 3 . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X 2 . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | 4 . . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Can somebody explain why white can't kill blacks top middle group? Or alternatively why black can't live when he moves first.
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Li Kao wrote:Can somebody explain why white can't kill blacks top middle group? Or alternatively why black can't live when he moves first.
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