133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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hyperpape wrote:
Li Kao wrote:Can somebody explain why white can't kill blacks top middle group? Or alternatively why black can't live when he moves first.
N7.

Oh it's connected to that dead group. I'm blind.
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Li Kao wrote:Oh it's connected to that dead group. I'm blind.
Happens to me every single time I look at the board. Something about an ongoing game makes it hard.
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
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$$ | X 5 . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
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$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
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$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | 6 . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | 7 . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Post by Magicwand »

if i can squeeze little more juice out of kirby i can win this game.

below is one variation i drew.
can i win with this???
it will be very close...
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[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | 7 . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X 9 O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | 0 8 O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm201 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X 9 . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | 8 . O . X 1 . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O 6 7 . 5 . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . 3 4 . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X O O O 2 . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X X O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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@Magicwand:

Sorry, I don't understand. What do you gain from :w9: in your diagram?
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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emeraldemon wrote:@Magicwand:

Sorry, I don't understand. What do you gain from :w9: in your diagram?

it might be a key for me to win this game.
if he happens to tenuki as below...i will be able to capture his middle.
he will probably answer but hi might not..
my objective is to make it complicated as possible so he will make a mistake.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X 5 O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O 4 X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . 6 . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X O . 3 O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . 1 . . O X . O 2 . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | X . O . X O . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O X O . O . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . O X . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X O O O X . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X X O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | 8 . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X 9 . . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | 8 . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm191 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X O 0 . . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O . . . . . . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm201 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X O X 2 . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O . . . . 1 . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm201 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . 3 O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X O X X . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O . . . . O . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

Post by crux »

Hmmm.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | 8 . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | 6 7 . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | 4 5 . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | 2 3 O , X O X X . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O 1 . . . O . . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O 9 . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X 0 O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | O X . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | O X . . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | O X O , X O X X . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O X 4 3 5 O 8 . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O X 2 1 7 . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X O O O 6 9 . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X 0 . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | O X . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | O X 3 . O X . O . . X O X . O X O O . |
$$ | O X O , X O X X . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O X O X X O O . . X O O O O X . . . . |
$$ | X O 2 O X X . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X O O O O X . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X 1 O X X O . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm201 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O . X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X 5 O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X O X X . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O 8 . . . O . . . X O O O O X 4 . 6 7 |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I doubt there will be ko. I think that the game might be over soon. I think he has to let me get this stone.
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Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm201 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . O X O X . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X O X . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . O O X . . O . X X X . |
$$ | . X O X X X . O X O X O O X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O . O . X O . . X O X O . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X X O . O . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . O 9 X X . . . O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . . X O X O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O , X O X X . X X X O O O O X X O |
$$ | O X . . . O . . . X O O O O X X . X O |
$$ | X O . . . . . O O X O X X X X . X X O |
$$ | X . O O . . . O X O X X . X . . X O O |
$$ | X . O X X . . O X O O O O O X X X O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X X X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O , . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i still dont see me winning..:(
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