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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #81 Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 9:00 am 
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[go]$$Bcm50 Move 50 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move helps me to get more space for my group to run.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #82 Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 1:09 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Move 51 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
every move he try to make life will result in my moyo getting stronger.

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 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #83 Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:53 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm52 Move 52 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . B . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move gives me more space for living. I feel somewhat comfortable.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #84 Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 4:18 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm53 Move 53 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

everything is going as i planed.. moyo getting stronger

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Offline quantumf
 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #85 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:02 am 
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everything is going as i planed.. moyo getting stronger


Can you please explain this? I don't see any moyo.
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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #86 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:49 am 
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I don't really see a moyo, but if my games look like this as black against 4d+ (with handi) it's a sure sign that I'm gonna lose.

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Offline SpongeBob
 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #87 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 2:49 am 
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quantumf wrote:
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everything is going as i planed.. moyo getting stronger

Can you please explain this? I don't see any moyo.

Magicwand always sees his position very positive. :D
I am curious how he's gonna profit from this attack, too.

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Offline amnal
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Post #88 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:33 am 
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SpongeBob wrote:
quantumf wrote:
To Magicwand:
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everything is going as i planed.. moyo getting stronger

Can you please explain this? I don't see any moyo.

Magicwand always sees his position very positive. :D
I am curious how he's gonna profit from this attack, too.


I'm not convinced either about magicwand's use of the word moyo, but his position really is quite positive. Because black has forced white to take fairly perfect territory on teh bottom, and fairly perfect thickness in the centre, white can play anywhere without fear of repercussion.

With moves like M17 available to probe black, and plenty of big moves in both other corners, white may well be able to conjure a moyo from nothing. And if black wants to prevent that, he will be forced to give up territory breaking into the centre.

I'm wondering if white has any ideas about tesuji in the Q14 area. Although black can break through, white may be able to use his shortage of liberties to isolate the centre stones.
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 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #89 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:38 am 
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quantumf wrote:
To Magicwand:
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everything is going as i planed.. moyo getting stronger


Can you please explain this? I don't see any moyo.


to quantumf

i have marked the moyo. this will limit the black on top and left side.
in my opinion that moyo worth about 30+ points.
at the end black inside will have 2 points and gote.
i will have sente and solid wall.

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[go]$$Bcm53 Move 53 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W W X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . W . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W W X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #90 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:47 am 
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one simple expectiation of near future..
i believe he will play 54 and i will exchange 2 and 3 then play something like 4.
this will leave me with two big move miai a and b.
a will limit black growth b will expand my moyo further.

also..black dragon is still unstable. after i get marked area stronger i can attack at C and possibley kill.
at least earning points W's on my right will happen.

bottom points + possible right side pts + possible middle moyo points..
i think i am not behind and my attack is safe and successful and easy way to win.

for territory all you have to do is count and moyo has greater variance so it is harder to count but still can be estimated pretty accurately.

let me know if anyone has more question.

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[go]$$Bcm54 Move 54 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , 4 . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . C C . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . . . . C C O 2 O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . C C . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W W X 1 . c . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . W . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O w w |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W W X . . . w w w w |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . w w w w |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . w w w O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #91 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:51 am 
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For Magicwand and observers:

Is it possible that you mean "thickness" when you're saying moyo? Moyo implies to me that you already have some area loosely enclosed, and that doesn't seem to be the case yet. I agree that you can probably turn the center into a moyo, it just doesn't look like one at the moment...

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Offline topazg
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Post #92 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:52 am 
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For Magicwand and observers:

daniel_the_smith wrote:
Is it possible that you mean "thickness" when you're saying moyo? Moyo implies to me that you already have some area loosely enclosed, and that doesn't seem to be the case yet. I agree that you can probably turn the center into a moyo, it just doesn't look like one at the moment...


I don't think it can be either. It's not thick (yet), and it's certainly not a moyo - it does have a lot of influence though. I read it as influence :P
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Post #93 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:56 am 
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
For Magicwand and observers:

Is it possible that you mean "thickness" when you're saying moyo? Moyo implies to me that you already have some area loosely enclosed, and that doesn't seem to be the case yet. I agree that you can probably turn the center into a moyo, it just doesn't look like one at the moment...


i must have meant influence. i guess i used that term without really knowing the defintion.
when i heard that term first time i was told that moyo = influence.
i guess i used that term without really knowing the defintion.
can someone clearify exact meaning of moyo?

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i must have meant influence. i guess i used that term without really knowing the defintion.
when i heard that term first time i was told that moyo = influence.
i guess i used that term without really knowing the defintion.
can someone clearify exact meaning of moyo?


Moyo = framework :)
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Post #95 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:41 am 
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Sorry I've been a bit slow, Magicwand. This weekend some stuff came up with my job.

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[go]$$Bcm54 Move 54 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move gives me room for connecting or running out. Black might peep my eyespace, but I should still be able to live

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Post #96 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Move 43 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As mentioned by others, the move at a is very heavy. I recommend this :b1: instead.

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[go]$$Bc Move 43 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . W . 7 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . b . 1 3 5 a . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 4 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Should :w2: insist on the peep, then up to :b7:, the :wc: stone is heavily weakened. Of course, :b7: may choose to play at a or b instead.

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Post #97 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm55 Move 55 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O W O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #98 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:17 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm56 Move 56 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O B . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I'm doing alright, but I might have to take gote and let white get in a move on the top. I want to see how white responds here. Here's what I'm thinking:

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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 4 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O B . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


or
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[go]$$Wcm1 there is still some aji that white can take advantage of, but I can save my main group.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


or

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[go]$$Wcm1 Maybe a better result for black...
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O B . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Basically, I want to see how Magicwand responds to this, and then I'm going to adjust my plan accordingly.

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Post #99 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:28 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm57 Move 57 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

wow that is hard to answer. i looked at it for 5 min and could not come up with satisfying move.
this is best i can do...i am willing to let him out if i can limit the upper right corner by 2.
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[go]$$Bcm57 Move 57 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . 2 . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #100 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm58 Move 58 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that Magicwand played a strong move. I think that he is planning on the following:
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[go]$$Bcm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W O a O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am not strong enough in the top right corner to cut at "a", I think:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X 4 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 6 . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But still, I think it's important for me to atari, because it allows me to make an eye if necessary:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O 2 O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 X 1 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


and, since white will almost definitely respond, it is helpful for my making life.

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