126. EdLee vs Loons

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:36 pm

(p)

Instead of

: one variation:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X 1 7 9 . | $$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O 6 . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O 8 . | $$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . 5 . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . . O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O | $$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O | $$ | . . 3 2 . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . O X O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

And then...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm11 :w21: cross-cuts at (a) $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X O O O . | $$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X Q O X O X . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X . X . | $$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . 3 O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . X 1 . . X . . . . | $$ | . 6 X , . . . . . , 2 . . . . X . X X | $$ | . 5 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . O X O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . 9 0 . . , . O O X . X . O . | $$ | . . O . . X a . X . . . W . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

W is still behind after

, so it depends on B's replies to

.

W fell behind after

, but managed to catch up a bit after

;
dropping the burden of the upper right corner was a good choice for W.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:21 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm95 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . 1 O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . O X O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:26 pm

One idea for

was to leave it as a probe, so tenuki from the cross cut, and attach with

:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O | $$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . O X . . . X O O O | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . O X O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:57 pm

Just to get my wildly incorrect move prediction out of the way.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm96 Prisoners: :w2: :b1: $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X 6 X O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , 2 3 . . . X . X X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . O X . X O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B . . X . X X O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O B . . . X O O O | $$ | . . W . . X . . . . O B O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Of course, this is gote for white and sente is at least as big as Q19 (ie 15 points), so Ed will not play *exactly* like this. Black will answer cautiously, as there is a latent threat of the marked stones' low liberties.

Ed will probably add sente around the marked stone, at least. However, subject to where black becomes strong and where white destroys points, H17 may become a valuable move again.

Edit:

might just be an underplay.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:04 pm

Loons, I resign.

Sorry about the long wait. Even before any review, I learned a lot in this game.
Thank you very much. June 12 - Sept 13, almost exactly 1 month.

Obs (and Loons, too

):

Loons,

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:13 am

Thanks very much for the game, I enjoyed it thoroughly - and I learned a lot as well. No need to apologise to me about 'long waits'.

I can't wait to open your hide tags

. Hopefully my comments aren't too absurd.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:00 am

Ah... the joy

of reading old hidden tags that are 3 months old! Like questions about my ranks!

Probably most people who used to follow this thread gave up on it a long time ago... but I'll still post my replies,
even if nobody reads them.

lorill · Post by **lorill** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:26 am

I'm still reading

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:38 am

I just finished my cursory readthrough.

Man, the earth-shaking battles that raged back and forth across top while only a few subtle defenses and quiet concessions touched the board!

I'll post a review of my thoughts on the game soon. (Looking forward to any thoughts you add, too!)

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:39 am

Ditto. It was an interesting game.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:42 am

Joaz Banbeck wrote:(Dated June 13, 2011.)
He's not sandbagging. We were at a real live AGA tournament in Santa Monica a just last week where bands spanned several ranks, and he was in the section below me.

Thank you, Robert.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:01 am

No guarantees on the comments, everyone

.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:08 am

Teaser for Loons,

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:09 pm

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------+ $$ . . . . . 1 . . . . | $$ X . . . O X 3 . . . | $$ . . X O O X O . . . | $$ O . . O X X X O . . | $$ . O . . O X X X . . | $$ . . . . . . X . . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . | $$ . O . . . . . O . . | $$ . X . . . X . . . . | $$ , . . . . . X . X X | $$ . . . . . O X . X O | $$ . . X . . X . X X O | $$ . O X . . . X O O O | $$ . O X O . . X O . O | $$ X X O X X . . X O . | $$ , . O O X . X . O . | $$ . . . O . . . O . . | $$ . . . . . O . . . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------+[/go]

I can understand we were mistaken reckoning this. Corners always surprisingly big, centre always surprisingly small. The points difference is over 20?

One reason I played the game 93 is that I was worried ie. F3 stones weren't invincible - and that this might lead to a larger-than-expected centre reduction. I'm relatively curious as to why 93 was how small (a lot of my victories come from opponents accidentally giving me too many points from influence at the last possible second, so maybe I often make this sort of overplay).

Was your pro suggesting the game was actually close, or is that a polite way of saying "black should probably have resigned earlier"?

Maybe "never say die" should be a go proverb.

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