138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

Post by Loons »

What a delicious sounding game. Even, Japanese rules? I'd prefer open book/database, but I am also fine with closed book. (And closed comments, as per normal).

You can pick odd or even and check;
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Have a fun game.

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PS: Pretty sure almost everyone just copies the diagram code and edits by hand, however eg. drago also has an export ASCII position option.
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Have fun, Loons and Pancake. :)
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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I choose odd.

Open book is fine with me, but I probably won't try it myself for the fun of reading the corrections in the comments afterwards ;).

Have a nice game!

edit: I picked wrong, your choice..
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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I'll take black :)
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So, my broad goals:

1) No silly fuseki mistakes
2) Don't get sucked into fights that are hard for me.

I'd really like to take this to endgame.
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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Whoah! Loons is 1d now? Congrats! :) I missed that.
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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Hah, the secret is; 1d isn't very good at all. You'll understand when you get here :P. Pursuant to the slight confusion at the start of Ed & I's game, I thought it may be useful for everyone to see our KGS ranks in the title...

(My KGS account is a secret, because I get self-conscious of playing if too many people are watching me...)
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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Loons wrote:...

(My KGS account is a secret, because I get self-conscious of playing if too many people are watching me...)

"You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do."
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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Loons wrote:(My KGS account is a secret, because I get self-conscious of playing if too many people are watching me...)


I feel this way sometimes too, and while ez4u's quote is often applicable, I sometimes cringe at what observers say about my moves. The question remains however, how private do you think a Malkovitch game is? :shock:
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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daal wrote:I feel this way sometimes too, and while ez4u's quote is often applicable, I sometimes cringe at what observers say about my moves. The question remains however, how private do you think a Malkovitch game is? :shock:


Touché. I still feel Malkovich and timed server games are quite different beasts though.

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I'm feeling like this- Kobayashi sans the a-b exchange. Of course, this involves white's choice to play two 4-4s. It's a normal fuseki that breaks the normal rules just a little (playing the extension before playing the shimari). It avoids eg. white playing a pincer or counterapproach after :b5:...'a'.
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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As white, I like to start with double hoshi, or hoshi and facing 3-4 point. I play hoshi first so I can get a facing 3-4 no matter which corner he takes.
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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Hmmm. Is it that people who are slightly depressed are realistic, or that people who are realistic are slightly depressed? ;)
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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I don't know. I wondered the same thing. He was quoted in a book. I searched his papers available on-line, but could not find the source to clarify it! :D

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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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ez4u wrote:I don't know. I wondered the same thing. He was quoted in a book. I searched his papers available on-line, but could not find the source to clarify it! :D


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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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Bill Spight wrote:
ez4u wrote:I don't know. I wondered the same thing. He was quoted in a book. I searched his papers available on-line, but could not find the source to clarify it! :D


Both claims are supported by psychological research.


It's not clear to me how to scientifically quantify what might be "realistic", because this seems to be a subjective term.
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