Nikolas73 wrote:Although, I wonder if SC2 AI is like Go AI compared to human players.
In terms of strength, yes, mostly, but for different reasons. The AI has a very restricted set of strategies and builds it will use. That means you'll get away with some things because you know the AI won't exploit the weakness. Because of that, scouting is not so important. You just know you don't have to defend e.g. against a 6-pool or a super-early reaper harass. Vs. humans beyond a certain level, every weakness in a build is likely to be scouted and exploited. And you always risk running into some cheese, which you have to scout. That also makes some builds that work against a computer not work against humans, because they are not flexible enough to deal with certain strategies of the opponent.
Araban wrote:There is teamliquid, but they can be pretty ruthless and the moderating is VERY heavy. I heard good things about wellplayed.org. But I (and a lot of the Go+SC2 lurkers here) will be more than willing to help. If you ever get the full version and want to practice with me, I'm Junshin.367.
Thanks! I added you (I think - still figuring out some of the interface things) - I'm "SlickNik" (an old highschool nickname ).
I lost all of my placement matches and right now I'm floating around rank 20-30 in Bronze league. I've noticed that I'm starting to win more often though, so I think I'm slowly starting to understand things like constantly making workers and reacting to what the opponent is doing.
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I met up with cata in Santa Barbara Saturday July 31, and we drove down to Anaheim to watch MLG. We got there around 4pm, in time to watch the open winners run through the pools. Saturday was standing room only, but after awhile you could get a seat from someone who was taking a break, so we got chairs! Sunday we got there in time to get seats, and we kept them until we took a dinner break for one of the TvTs. So we watched the last ~3 games standing on the edges.
My favorite moment was right after Boxer made his comeback from down 0-1 against Rain to win the series, he got a standing ovation and the crowd was chanting is name.
For the finals, the crowd was mostly in favor of MMA so it would have been a lot louder if he had won. But of course people have huge respect for MVP and started chanting his name when he won as well.
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For congress on Friday night I organized a SC2 viewing party. Right after the Ing commentary ended we stole the projector and commandeered one of the lecture rooms. We started off watching the Boxer vs Yellow showmatch.... but we quickly realized watching GSTL would be a better bet so we turned on the Startale vs IM match. Some people came and went, probably had around 10 people that watched at least some of it, including vVvTime who was a working congress as a volunteer. Wish I had made more than a token effort to get some Korean Go pros to come.
I hadn't played in forever, until last night. I was a bit skeptical of the 'one placement match to place you' thing, as I was so rusty. I played against someone in silver 1v1, and lost. The logical response? They put me in gold, of course!
...bit terrified!
I seem to be averaging about 3-4 larva injects per game!
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
After several humiliating losses in my completely undeserved gold rank, I changed races. I figured, if I'm going to have to relearn everything, and suck terribly for weeks and months of time again, I might as well have the excuse that I'm learning a new race.
So, I'm trying to learn terrans. I must be getting better, I made someone rage quit a few days ago, after turtling up and wiping his army out a couple times.
Here's a fun fact, I think protoss are the easiest race to macro.
A) All their research is at a few buildings. The cyber core takes care of all air weapons, the forge takes care of everything else. Special upgrades may require one extra building per tech tree.
Terrans require the engineering bay for random structural upgrades, and squishy weapons. The armoury takes care of everything else, but special abilities are all in tech labs, it makes keeping track of my tech feel like more work.
B) Protoss don't require a lot of build attention. You can 'warp' a dozen buildings in at once, if you want, and you have only used one unit to do it, and he can go right back to mining. I often end up with collections of 5-10 workers who have built new stuff for me, chillin all over the map, waiting for orders. I could shift click them all back to work after the build, but often I want 1-2 of them actually continuing to build things, and I just forget that everyone else should be working. The whole 'taking time to build things' portion of building management is a real drag too.
C) Protoss don't require constant attention to their nexus. Chrono boost is all your nexus does for you and you can use that steadily and reflexively through the game. Command Center's energy use needs to be monitored and considered constantly, using miners to support your mineral count, and saving energy for scans for battle purposes later in the game.
D) Protoss Balls are Awesome. Terran Balls are less so. Lumping every single unit together into a giant ball of death with very little micro is fine for the high shields, high armour units of the protoss. (assuming there's no annoying ghosts about.) Doing it with terrans is a good way to get things out of position and out of order. I'm still working on my micro of terran movement timings. Especially with siege push. Getting to where I can smoothly leaprog with half my seige engines while the other half take defensive posture is going to take a lot of work. Yet another reason I love Mr. Thor.
In short, I feel like there's a million things I have to be doing at once with the terrans. It may take a while for me to drag myself back up out of bronze again.
Well, after two months and 200 wins, I finally made it to silver league!
Need to start playing more Go again...
CSamurai wrote:In short, I feel like there's a million things I have to be doing at once with the terrans. It may take a while for me to drag myself back up out of bronze again.
But hey, playing protoss feels easy now..
-Funny, I've recently thought about switching to Protoss, but I think I'll stick with Terran until I improve a bit more.
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I don't know if Protoss is necessarily easier, but something that I found interesting was that, despite hardly playing SC2 after I came back from China, I still managed to do pretty well and take games off mid-Masters in an SC2 LAN tournament that was held in my university a few days ago. My mechanics are quite rusty, but I still remembered my BOs like yesterday because I played them so many times on ladder. Also, since these BOs are old, not too many people were familiar with the timings and I managed to catch them off guard quite a lot. I think, if you want to learn a race where it's emphasized on BOs and timings, Protoss is the way to go.
Araban wrote:I don't know if Protoss is necessarily easier, but something that I found interesting was that, despite hardly playing SC2 after I came back from China, I still managed to do pretty well and take games off mid-Masters in an SC2 LAN tournament that was held in my university a few days ago. My mechanics are quite rusty, but I still remembered my BOs like yesterday because I played them so many times on ladder. Also, since these BOs are old, not too many people were familiar with the timings and I managed to catch them off guard quite a lot. I think, if you want to learn a race where it's emphasized on BOs and timings, Protoss is the way to go.
Great job! Is the tournament still going? The link doesn't show the last two rounds.
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
Araban wrote:I don't know if Protoss is necessarily easier, but something that I found interesting was that, despite hardly playing SC2 after I came back from China, I still managed to do pretty well and take games off mid-Masters in an SC2 LAN tournament that was held in my university a few days ago. My mechanics are quite rusty, but I still remembered my BOs like yesterday because I played them so many times on ladder. Also, since these BOs are old, not too many people were familiar with the timings and I managed to catch them off guard quite a lot. I think, if you want to learn a race where it's emphasized on BOs and timings, Protoss is the way to go.
Great job! Is the tournament still going? The link doesn't show the last two rounds.
Nah, it finished. I think they just got lazy with the bracket updating at that point cause everyone knew what was going on. I ended up winning against Totes (PvZ; 5-gate 2-base timing), then lost to Acayex (PvT; 2-base 6 gate + collo bust), so I ended up in 3rd place (highest placed non-Terran player ). Chaos won the whole thing.
hello everybody, i have been playing starcraft for some months now, and i was wondering if there is any chat room for us Go players in there, or maybe a chat of the 19x19forum players hehe, so we can chat there and gather around and play matches and etc, with fellow Go players which have similar attitudes and respectful manners, . i am in the northamerican server by the way. currently i am in gold league, but maybe i will go to platin, not shure. Looking forward to play with all of you,
fengitreon wrote:hello everybody, i have been playing starcraft for some months now, and i was wondering if there is any chat room for us Go players in there, or maybe a chat of the 19x19forum players hehe, so we can chat there and gather around and play matches and etc, with fellow Go players which have similar attitudes and respectful manners, . i am in the northamerican server by the way. currently i am in gold league, but maybe i will go to platin, not shure. Looking forward to play with all of you,
Join us in the teamliquid room on KGS --> Rooms -> Social -> teamliquid
There is also an L19 room on US BNET2, it's not very active though.
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