131. ez4u vs Jedo

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w3:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . 7 . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O 8 . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think I'm behind by about 5 points, so I have to be more aggressive in the endgame than I normally would in order to catch up... let's see if it works
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . 9 O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . 0 O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . 1 . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . X O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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What about S4?
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[go]$$Wcm1 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . 2 . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . O . . O X . X O 3 . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . X O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . 1 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X . X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . 2 O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . X O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X . X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . 5 . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . X O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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@ez4u:
Why S11 and not S5?
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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emeraldemon wrote:@ez4u:
Why S11 and not S5?
I have been looking at S5 for a long time throughout the game. It looks like sente to me (S2 next looks extremely dangerous for Black). However, I am not exactly sure. The question is, if I play S5 and Black answers with S2, making the corner completely safe, the side is still open and I have gained maybe one point in sente, because in almost any pattern in the corner Black ends up connecting against some kind of placement. On the other hand, if I play S5 and Black plays away (e.g. S11), and I do not kill the corner then I suffer a loss. The real question is - what's the score? I think White is a little ahead now. In that case, what is the safe road to victory? I think that S11 preserves the lead with the least risk. It is not necessarily the best play, but I (think I) can live with it. :blackeye:

If White does not continue on the right side (e.g. connects the two center stones), I will probably play S5 next and then block off the side. The interesting question is what if Black continues on the right? The monkey jump, I will probably answer because it either ends in my sente (due to S11) or Black leaves some points around for White to pick up later. The question is what if Black plays the small knight's slide at T6? Should White answer? White at S7 protects about six points of territory on the side in gote. Meanwhile the capture in the center is five points in gote. However, the center capture seems to promise more thickness that will make it less likely that Black can add points there. I willthink some more when we see Black's next play.
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X . X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . 5 . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . X O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . 6 |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Hmm, surprised he didn't block the other way:
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X . X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . X O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . 5 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Since now I can mj.
Regardless, with counting I think I may still be behind by as many as 10 points. If nothing changes I think I'll resign in a few moves.
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X . X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . X O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . 7 X |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X . X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . X O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . O X |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . 8 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X . X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . X O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . 9 |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . O X |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo

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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . X . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X . X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . X O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . O X |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | 0 O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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