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by prokofiev Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:47 am
Yes, good call Dusk Eagle.
Here's a brief attempt to come up with why my last post was wrong. Any comments welcome! (Nothing on the current move yet.)
$$Bcm1
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(7 around a or b.) I guess this is good for black? Letting white capture those stones and connect into the center may be bad, though?
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by Dusk Eagle Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:20 pm
Did you see my suggestion in my previous post prokofiev?
$$Bcm20 :b22: potentially at 'a'
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Now
looks awful
.
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by Magicwand Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:27 pm
Dusk Eagle wrote: Did you see my suggestion in my previous post prokofiev?
$$Bcm20 :b22: potentially at 'a'
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Now
looks awful
.
your suggestion doesnt make sense because white will play as below.
$$Bcm20 :b22: potentially at 'a'
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by mitsun Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:25 pm
In the continuation below, it looks like the cut
can be handled by the peep
. Next B either captures the cutting stone in a geta, or if W defends (capturing three B stones), B pushes through and secures a large territory on top.
$$Bcm1
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by gogameguru Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:09 pm
$$Wcm30
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topazg gets it
. So the next question is, how's black going to help the top group while minimising the damage?
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by topazg Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:54 pm
Too hard to say for me. This is the sort of position I'm sure I would never play like a professional would.
$$Wcm30
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could be really aji-keshi, as they probably aren't big enough to respond to (ok, I'm talking about
here,
needs a response, but even if
was directly at
I'm not completely convinced White would respond unless there was a serious corner kill threat, which I don't think there is).
is the obvious "get your group out move" to me, so maybe that's
? The reason I'd suggest the sequence above is to make "a" less of a threat against the marked Black stones, but it may well be unnecessary, and losing sente here without completely settling your group in the process feels too slow for Black.
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by prokofiev Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:24 pm
Thanks Dusk Eagle, Magicwand, mitsun for the comments. Dusk Eagle, I did see your comment, but was apparently too dense to realize it was suggested as a refutation.
Probably means I should think more about kikashi. Certainly these posts have been instructive on that topic.
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by gogameguru Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:02 pm
$$Bcm31
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So, similar to what topazg said, but with a gentler approach towards aji and ko threats.
By the way, why are you other observers letting topazg hog the limelight?
I want to hear your guesses too! And you may well learn more by committing to a move.
Some of you might be amused to read that at 31, the commentary say black was "probably disgusted with himself at this stage".
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by gogameguru Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:16 pm
Some commentary from earlier in the game:
As gaius touched on earlier, the commentator says black should play 21 and so on. I thought I'd show their suggested continuation because it's quite educational.
$$Wcm20 (black 27 threatens 'c')
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Continuing...
$$Wcm30 Black gets a key point at 35 as part of the flow of play.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm30 Black gets a key point at 35 as part of the flow of play.
Unlike the game, if 'a' then 'b' and black is fine.
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by topazg Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:26 am
I can't see any benefit in playing locally right now. White can only make a gote live group on the edge, and Black's going to connect anyway, so I reckon tenuki.
$$Bcm31
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Between
and "a", I choose
because I think Black's thicker on the right, making the corner slightly more urgent to approach. If pincer, standard stuff I guess:
$$Bcm31
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by Magicwand Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:38 am
there is no need to play on top anymore...
japanese players did not like complication during that time..
so next logical choice for white is either a or b
if i had a choice ...i would choose "a"
$$Bcm31
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by daniel_the_smith Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:32 am
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by gogameguru Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:36 am
$$Wcm32 White forces at 32. So what's coming next?
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by daniel_the_smith Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:52 am
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looks awful 
.
can be handled by the peep 
. Next B either captures the cutting stone in a geta, or if W defends (capturing three B stones), B pushes through and secures a large territory on top.
and 
could be really aji-keshi, as they probably aren't big enough to respond to (ok, I'm talking about 
is the obvious "get your group out move" to me, so maybe that's 
Probably means I should think more about kikashi. Certainly these posts have been instructive on that topic.
and "a", I choose 