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by Loons » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:49 pm
emerus
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by emerus » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:57 pm
Laman
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by Laman » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:10 am
$$Bcm1 Move #24 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X W . . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Move #24 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X W . . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Spilling gasoline feels good.
I might be wrong, but probably not.
emerus
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by emerus » Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:59 am
$$Bcm1 Move #25 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Move #25 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Laman
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by Laman » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:18 pm
$$Bcm1 Move #26 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O W . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Move #26 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O W . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]easy one
Spilling gasoline feels good.
I might be wrong, but probably not.
emerus
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by emerus » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:48 pm
$$Bcm1 Move #27 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Move #27 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Laman
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by Laman » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:01 am
$$Bcm1 Move #28 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X W . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Move #28 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X W . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Spilling gasoline feels good.
I might be wrong, but probably not.
hyperpape
Tengen
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by hyperpape » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:06 am
Laman
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by Laman » Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:19 am
hyperpape:
hyperpape wrote: Laman, observers: Assuming you take Laman's assessment of the position seriously, where did White go wrong? It seems like the lower left and lower right have gone inconsistently, but I'm not really sure.
up to my kakari at the lower right, it was still a pro game (see post #19). so it could be the first dubious move. on the following move, i could have pushed at Q5 instead of descent R6, leading to a slight variation of joseki, allowing me to extend along the right side. last, maybe i shouldn't have cut black at lower left after all and instead extend along the left side, forcing him to do something about his stones
anyway, i should stop crying (which i abhor at others) and instead focus on doing something nasty. though my assessment of situation from the previous post holds, it is still only like giving some handi to an even opponent and one has not too bad chance to win a game handicapped 2-3 stones wrong
otherwise, i see this game as a proof that everyone has style and that it affects your playing ability in a specific game (as opposed to opinions like "amateurs don't have a style" or "shouldn't have a style"). Cho Hanseung managed the situation much better than me, but still i wouldn't feel good as white in his game
and last, not long ago i saw someone writing that he is okay with losing if his opponent is superior and outplays him, but hates when he makes dumb mistakes that loses him an otherwise playable game. for me it is sort of opposite - if i make a blunder, i think "pff, it sucks, but i can still beat him, he's not that strong" or if the damage can't be repaired, i can look forward to a rematch. however, i hate when i try to do my best and even then everything goes wrong and he just beats me to a pulp no matter what i try
Spilling gasoline feels good.
I might be wrong, but probably not.
emerus
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by emerus » Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:06 pm
$$Bcm1 Move #29 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . B X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Move #29 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . B X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
$$Bcm1 Move #29 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . 4 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . B X X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Move #29 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . 4 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . B X X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]This position is a little more concerning than I thought it would be. My first instinct move is
, allowing myself to be cut and following through in the upper left. However, the gap at
worries me. I think I can give ground in this fight and be satisfied?
Laman
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by Laman » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:16 pm
$$Bcm1 Move #30 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Move #30 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
hmm, this is solid, but i feel black would better off with an extension along the side. i don't know which specific move would be the best, as there are always some issues with the atari left behind, yet pressing my corner stones outvalues them in my opinion
for me, play in this area is a must, with two unsettled groups facing each other. i considered playing one space closer to black, to deny him any space on the left side, but it would leave an effective counter:
$$Bcm1 Diagram 41-1 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 41-1 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]black 1 is not something you invite when it would leave you with two weak groups and no prey to hunt
now black stones on the left look about as useful as my ones on the right
Spilling gasoline feels good.
I might be wrong, but probably not.
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by Loons » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:28 pm
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by emerus » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:03 pm
$$Bcm1 Move #31 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O B X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Move #31 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O B X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
$$Bcm1 Move #31 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X b . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O a X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Move #31 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X b . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O a X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]That move makes a lot of sense. Now it's between defending at 'a' or the big corner at 'b'.
I think that white's g3 group and m5 group have a pretty negative relationship(what does that even mean?) and so I don't want to leave the cut behind for white to take advantage of.
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by Jedo » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:27 am
emerus' last move seems a little heavy to me. What about this:
$$Bcm1 Move #30 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Move #30 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O . . O X X . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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by hyperpape » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:30 am