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Do you regularly read non-go books? (Fiction, non-fiction, etc., other than school text books...
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Post #41 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:39 am 
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I read bridge books too.

And sometimes miscellaneous fiction and non-fiction.

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Post #42 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:07 am 
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I read bridge books too.

And sometimes miscellaneous fiction and non-fiction.


Now that gives me an idea. I have dozens of bridge books which I bought before I started playing go. Maybe some of these are classics and out of print. I should think of adding those to my auction site as I have not read them in over 30 years.

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Post #43 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:32 am 
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I read bridge books too.

And sometimes miscellaneous fiction and non-fiction.


Now that gives me an idea. I have dozens of bridge books which I bought before I started playing go. Maybe some of these are classics and out of print. I should think of adding those to my auction site as I have not read them in over 30 years.

I also have many old bridge books. The problem with them is that practically everything on bidding a lot of defensive play (lead cards, defensive signaling) has long been outdated.

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Post #44 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:27 am 
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My personal favorites are Terry Patchett and China Mieville. I've just got China's latest (Kraken). I haven't had time to read it yet, but he is by far the best fantasy (if you can limit him to one genre) author I've ever encountered.

I'm currently reading Learning Capoeira: Lessons in cunning from an Afro-Brazillian art. It's fascinating, even if I don't agree with the author all the time, especially as the author mostly was involved in a different style to mine and was exposed to some quite different ideas, as well as some definitely the same (Angola vs. Regional/Contemporary for those in the know).

Not only do I read a lot of books, I'm also involved in running a publishing business called Forgotten Books. We sell out of copyright books through amazon, but if anyone's interested all our titles are also free online at http://www.forgottenbooks.org
(If anyone's offended at that blatant bit of self promotion let me know and I'll take it off. :twisted: )
We don't have any go related titles yet I think (we might have a translation of the one where Confucius says it's better than doing nothing), but when I get some spare time (eg. finish my PhD) I hope to maybe put out one or two of the old classic collections.

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Post #45 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:15 am 
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I also have many old bridge books. The problem with them is that practically everything on bidding a lot of defensive play (lead cards, defensive signaling) has long been outdated.


Perhaps true, but they still have curiosity value for the avid player.

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Post #46 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:20 am 
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I also have many old bridge books. The problem with them is that practically everything on bidding a lot of defensive play (lead cards, defensive signaling) has long been outdated.


Perhaps true, but they still have curiosity value for the avid player.

Yes. I for one liked to study the ideas of old, famous bidding systems like Roman Club or Marmic, but there is very little material available, especially in English. You don't happen to have anything on these, do you?

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Post #47 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:29 am 
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Perhaps true, but they still have curiosity value for the avid player.

Yes. I for one liked to study the ideas of old, famous bidding systems like Roman Club or Marmic, but there is very little material available, especially in English. You don't happen to have anything on these, do you?


To be honest, I don't remember what I have, it has been so long. I have books on several old (ie 1960s & 70s) bidding systems. I remember one time my partner and I decided to try an experiment: we used a different bidding system at each table at the weekly duplicate bridge session.

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Post #48 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:35 am 
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Perhaps true, but they still have curiosity value for the avid player.

Yes. I for one liked to study the ideas of old, famous bidding systems like Roman Club or Marmic, but there is very little material available, especially in English. You don't happen to have anything on these, do you?


To be honest, I don't remember what I have, it has been so long. I have books on several old (ie 1960s & 70s) bidding systems. I remember one time my partner and I decided to try an experiment: we used a different bidding system at each table at the weekly duplicate bridge session.

If it's not too much trouble, I'd like to see a list of your books (send a PM) on old bidding systems (esp. 60's and earlier, I'm fairly familiar with 70's and later inventions)

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Post #49 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 6:43 pm 
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In that case I'll be one of the first to vote.... yes I do read non-go books, but not regularly... I used to, then I ended up reading all the good ones... and going to the library is such a hassle, not to mention the fees they are putting out now. Somewhere around 50-75 cents per book per day that you are late. Ridiculous.... I'll be visiting Barnes noble a little more often, but since they are out of town not that often. Can you believe that they closed the only big bookstore(Walden's) in town? It is like the city is encouraging illiteracy...


I find a lot of my books on Amazon.com, used, for under $5 incl shipping. Also you could check out http://www.paperbackswap.com/index.phpYou make lists of books you have that you don't want, and books you want that you don't have. If someone wants one of your books you mail it to them, and then you get a book you want from someone else. It's mostly ladies, so a lot of the books are romance etc., but I've found a few good things there, for the cost of sending omeone a book I didn't want any more.


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Post #50 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 4:13 am 
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I'm also a big and very non-specified reader. I've read a lot of classics, and will read many more... Only recently did I start reading Sherlock Holmes stories, which I've found fantastic. Also Moby-Dick, I love that guy's tangents. It seems "classics" become classics because they're by and large really good books (for some values of really good).

Hmm, some of my favorites;
The Tragedy of Puddin'-head Wilson by Mark Twain
Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency by Douglas Adams
The Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man by James Joyce
The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde
Roverandom by JRR Tolkien
Sylvie and Bruno by Louis Carroll

Actually all or much of the above Authors' works I've really enjoyed. Notably, I did not enjoy Fineggan's Wake, and I felt Tolkien was considerably better at children's stories (oh, leaf by niggle is also really good. I liked Farmer Giles of Ham too, but I think the previous two better).

Huh, looking at this list I have pulled from the air, I evidently like stories with strong, clear morals and convoluted plots.


A comment on Dawkins; I'm always left with the distinct impression that people who will want to read his books are not within his books' demographic. I'm sure if you've read (m)any them, you must get what I mean ... Though The Selfish Gene did help pique my interest in biology in highschool.

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Post #51 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 4:16 am 
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Only recently did I start reading Sherlock Holmes stories, which I've found fantastic.


I loved the Sherlock Holmes stories. I read the entire collection my freshman year of high school.

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Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency by Douglas Adams

One of my favourite books, if not my favourite. :)

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Post #53 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 9:21 am 
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Some of my favorite books have already been mentioned, but just to share:

Anything by Douglas Adams. The fragments of new Dirk Gently and Hitchhiker books in The Salmon Of Doubt are fascinating

Shogun, by James Clavell. One of the few books that actually deserves to be over 1000 pages.

House of Leaves, by Mark Z. Danielewski. If you're looking for a crazy book, this is it.

Infinite Jest, the Ender books and the his dark materials trilogy are also books i love.

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Shogun, by James Clavell. One of the few books that actually deserves to be over 1000 pages.


I tried to read that about a year ago, and got bored after about 50 pages...

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Post #55 Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:11 am 
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I do :)

I read random books, but mostly novel :)

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Post #56 Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:35 am 
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For people looking for mentions of go in literature there is a page on Sensei's, http://senseis.xmp.net/?Literature, which lists a lot of books with mentions (or more) of go.

I probably average around 50 books per year read, mostly fiction :o Currently reading The Windup Bird Chronicle by Murakami.


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I finished Kraken a while ago. I think it's fantastic and fully recommend it.

I also just finished Horns (something like that anyway), which says "Ignatius Perrish spent the night doing unspeakable things and awoke with a hangover, a raging headache and horns growing from his head." It was a fantastic book, but so very very dark. Especially the start, good grief. The start at least is the kind of thing where you worry about humanity. I won't say anything else about it, because it'll spoil stuff, but I loved this book.

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I have made it a habit to read daily and to try to read a new book each week. I alternate between non-fiction and fiction each week, and so far, it's been a good system to reintroduce myself to an old hobby.

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I was drawn to the Wingrove series because of my interest in China, but found it quite repetitive after the first few books; I think I slogged through the fifth then gave up. I shudder to thing that it will be extended to 19 volumes - or are they just being cut up into smaller books? (While I recall go being in a few scenes, it wasn't there a lot.)



A great many other readers had a similar reaction to the series as Kirk's. In fact, from the trend line of the sales stats over the course of the series it looks as if Most readers had that reaction. I'm not sure that "repetitive" is the word I would use to describe the feeling, though. I think that many readers dropped off for two reasons: First, there was a general perception that the quality of the writing sagged quite a bit in the later volumes. While that sort of judgment is inherently subjective, I think it was pretty widely shared. In the case of the final volume, even Wingrove acknowledges it and offers a reason, that it was something of a rush job dictated by the terms of his advance. Secondly, the nature of the plotlines changed so greatly that the later volumes might as well be considered to be in an entirely different genre than the first three or four. Even if they had all been of equal quality, they might well have appealed to such different audiences that avid readers of the early books might not be interested in the later.

The series was originally supposed to be nine volumes. The last two were essentially condensed into one for the aforementioned contractual reasons. The new series will reverse that. Each of the original books was quite lengthy, with the paperback editions running 6-800 words. Most of the foreign translations split the English volumes into two or three books each. The revised editions will add a certain amount of new material and will essentially publish each previous volume as two. Combined with the expansion of the original volume eight into something approximating the plots of what should have been vols eight and nine, the split will yield 18 books. A prequel will begin the new series, bringing it to 19.



There are now two prequels to the Chung Kuo series, bringing the projected total to twenty volumes. Naturally I will be collecing all of them in hardcover. paperback, and the numbered slipcased edition. I also hope to obtain the Indonesian translations, the only foreign editions currently in the works.

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