#143 1986 vs Nathan

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I am heading home for the thanksgiving holiday and am not sure how much time I will have to respond until Monday.

Been a fun game so far
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enjoy this time with your family, i'll be here waiting :rambo: :D
:study:
standing still means going backwards
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Sorry for the delay, had a good break with the family :D

... back to the game :scratch: :rambo:

Ok so not feelin too good about this game anymore. :blackeye:

But definately not giving up.

if I try to settle now and make two eyes it becomes this i believe.

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and from here from my poor attempts at reading i believe life is possible but it is in gote.

another option is to try and run out and deal with life later..seems like a bad idea

another option considered was at b to use the aji of the group to invade the corner. Seems like a big waste. Ideally I can get this group settled and divert my attention to more important places. Most likely it will lose sente, but better than death

Here is the result of my attempts at reading

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ok for this a then b are one option for 8 and 9 and c then d are another option. I believe both end in life. We will see.
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nice to have you back :salute:
i was gonna run to defend the corner but after considering the whole board i better stop him from jumping out first so my center is getting big :study:
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OK so he is trying to build his thickness and just contain me to a small group.. makes sense

I am not quite confident with this group enough to tenuki

I expect he will play 2 after my one to give me a little more eyespace then i will consider the three moves a through d

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This is dead, no?
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this is obvious i want to protect my corner, now its his turn lets see where he plans on developing next
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Again my feeble attempt at reading makes me scared so I am playing to create more eyespace and saving threats for later.

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now he must defend, so for my next move i was thinking protect from w s17 but i might find something else more interesting
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Probably should have let this group alone at three stones ... now he has thickness all around

oh well I think its safe now
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finally i get to play away, i wanna fight but there is no reason to right now so im going to start a reduction campagin, after this move he most likely he will hane and i will extend, im making his left side stronger but at the same time i big on the right side... :study:
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I am not worried about the k4 stone attacking the corner seems more important
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shygost is going to kill me we just went over dont touch weak stones, but i had no other idea, im thinking the kick would have been bad becasue he would have linked up with the r6 stone, and i dont want him runinng around in my moyo trying to make life, so maybe in this situation its ok, hopefully we will see what happens
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My first instinct was to play the 3 3 move in the corner. However reading this showed that it did not coordinate well with the otehr stones - I am probably missing something

Next i considered a lower approach at 2 4 which felt passive and doenst look great

Then I looked at working towards the middle again but that looked weak.
Finally I settled on R4 which works with the Q6 stone where I am strongest in the area.

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i have no idea what nathan is trying to do here, my best guess is he is obviously trying to make sabaki,

im going to defend here but will he be able to make life, so far i dont see a way of life coming out of this situation, and i dont think he has enough room to make life either,

hmmmn.. either way im determinded to keep my area and i can worry about killing this group after i defend. :study:
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