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Tsumego question

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In 1001 tsumego problems, I couldn't solve problem 780:

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$$ | O . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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The solution given is this:

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$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X . 1 O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O 3 2 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . 4 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I can't figure out (even using a goban) how black should respond to :w2: in this diagram:

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$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X . 1 O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O 2 . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Thanks for your help!
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Re: Tsumego question

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seki?

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$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X . 1 O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O 2 3 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Tsumego question

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Oh I missed that white can't kill if black doesn't respond. Thanks!
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Re: Tsumego question

Post by SoDesuNe »

emeraldemon wrote:seki?

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X . 1 O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O 2 3 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Don't forget White at A5 else:

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[go]$$Bc Black lives
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$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X 1 X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In terms of Ko-Threats, I like this one:

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$$ | 6 O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X . 1 O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O 2 3 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 5 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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