Sanrensei Questions

hailthorn011 · Post by **hailthorn011** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:45 pm

Below is a situation I encountered in my game. My opponent used the Sanrensei against me, and as some of you know that is my favorite opening to play as :black:

. I'm also more familiar with this opening than any other opening out there. Does that say a lot? Probably not.

My issue with this opening is when it comes to playing as :white:

. I've seen the standard procedures and joseki- I hate them all.

So, I played :w6:

as a response to the Sanrensei. Is this good? Is this bad? I really don't know. If you look in the tab, you can see that it worked out quite well. I'm not so sure my opponent was familiar with using the opening though, so it's hard to say.

I feel like I had enough experience using this opening to play against it. Against a stronger player, that might not have been the case. Either way, what do y'all think?

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jts · Post by **jts** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:40 pm

I don't think your move is wrong, but in the past when I've played like this, stronger players have told me that it's more active to reach out all the way and approach the enemy 4-4 stone first, and then (if he extends) take D10 naturally in the course of the joseki.

Osvaldo · Post by **Osvaldo** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:03 pm

That move is actually a really common/effective way to deal with Sanrensei, so good job!

hailthorn011 · Post by **hailthorn011** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:20 pm

Osvaldo wrote:That move is actually a really common/effective way to deal with Sanrensei, so good job!

Thanks. It seemed like an okay move.

jts wrote:I don't think your move is wrong, but in the past when I've played like this, stronger players have told me that it's more active to reach out all the way and approach the enemy 4-4 stone first, and then (if he extends) take D10 naturally in the course of the joseki.

Good point. I see what you mean. That does seem like a better idea. But generally when I play that, the opponent pincers.

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:59 pm

What's wrong with getting pincered? You can just take the corner and get sente to approach the other one.

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:49 pm

Here's a pretty recent example of the sanrensei with pincer:

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:03 pm

One more, 55 response:

hailthorn011 · Post by **hailthorn011** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:14 pm

Thanks emeraldemon! I'll definitely be sure to look over these. And speaking of which, do you happen to have any games handy of pros using the Chinese Opening? That's one I REALLY need to study.

Numsgil · Post by **Numsgil** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:18 am

emeraldemon wrote:Here's a pretty recent example of the sanrensei with pincer:

http://igokisen.web.fc2.com/jp/34kiseib15.sgf

Thanks for posting that game! It actually has some examples of things I'm currently studying entirely unrelated to san-ren-sei, and the play by both sides is pretty clean (by which I mean I understand what's going on pretty well).

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:52 am

hailthorn011 wrote:Thanks emeraldemon! I'll definitely be sure to look over these. And speaking of which, do you happen to have any games handy of pros using the Chinese Opening? That's one I REALLY need to study.

It's much easier to find games with the Chinese opening than the sanrensei. The Chinese is still very popular among top pros, but I think the sanrensei's popularity has fallen off somewhat. Just pick any random pro game, there's a good chance it will be Chinese fuseki

Here are two with excellent and free commentary from An Younggil, the 8p at gogameguru:

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:39 am

I did a lesson about how to play against the San-ren-sei, maybe you find it useful. viewtopic.php?p=86510#p86510

Stable · Post by **Stable** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:06 am

I've noticed that almost every sanrensei game played by pros they pincer one approach and take the corner on the second. I guess this is for balance and not having all of ones eggs in one big moyo basket, but does anyone have any other thoughts on that? Uberdude's top game in the link suggests that pincering twice may be too easy to reduce.

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