149. Uberdude vs Magicwand

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:04 pm

@Magicwand

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:40 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . 8 . . O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Some other possibilites in my mind. If I take the corner directly and he blocks at c4 and the makes extension around c9 then what happens if I cut (there is a question of whether white should play :w12:

at

directly without losing a liberty):

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm9 White blocks to left $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 O 6 O . . O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 1 3 4 X . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm17 Cut $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . 6 7 . a . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O O 1 4 O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X O X 5 . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm not sure who I prefer above. Another idea is to play the hane and then extend rather than dodge to the corner (attach at d3 is a similar idea). This is quite a complicated joseki:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm9 Complex joseki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X 6 . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 9 . 2 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O 0 O 1 . O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . 4 3 X . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Next black could play a to develop on both sides, and white plays b to which blacks comes out with the empty triangle at c. Another idea is to develop the lower side with d-e-f which allows white to play on the left side, but black still has useful aji if white cuts at c7 or pincers to attack the group as a whole.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm19 Complex joseki part 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . e . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O 2 . O d . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O X c f . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X . O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O X X . 1 b . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:42 pm

Shaddy wrote:Magicwand
I think the first one definitely favors white ...

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:19 pm

Kirby wrote:
Shaddy wrote:Magicwand
I think the first one definitely favors white ...

Why?

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:25 pm

Loons wrote:@Magicwand
This double approach might get really complicated, eh. Are you going to aim for a simple result? Considering you were initially expecting straightforward joseki.

1986 · Post by **1986** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:44 am

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:21 pm

Still thinking...

My latest thoughts. As I said previously I'm reluctant to play g4 and then take corner as it makes white thick. If I take the corner directly and white e3 I will be happy. But I don't like it if he c4. One possible sequence is:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm9 Black gives white a wall and takes territory $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 O 4 O 0 . O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 1 3 5 X 6 9 . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

When white extends to c10 (or thereabouts) this works nicely with d16 to develop the left side. I'm not loving this for black.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm19 Contd.. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 4 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O O O . O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X O X 2 . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If the board was like this I would like this varaition as black is trying to develop the right side so white getting a strong group poking out is nice, and the top left corner is a white stone so black's wall is less effective.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm6 Example of good direction for this joseki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 6 5 . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 9 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm16 Example of good direction for this joseki contd. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 7 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 6 5 . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

yoyoma · Post by **yoyoma** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:20 pm

Uberdude wrote:Still thinking...

4 days for move #9 and still not decided?

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:24 pm

He's known for playing quite slowly on OGS,and the two of them have played there before.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:41 pm

Uberdude: take much time as you like.
drop me a mail when you play next move so i dont check this thread everyday.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:55 pm

yoyoma wrote:
Uberdude wrote:Still thinking...

4 days for move #9 and still not decided?

Quit rushing him!! Let him think. And write. That is the whole point of a Malkovich game.

Besides, not only does he have to write about his own moves, he has to compensate for MW's brevity. :roll:

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:47 pm

Joaz Banbeck wrote:Besides, not only does he have to write about his own moves, he has to compensate for MW's brevity.

SpongeBob · Post by **SpongeBob** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:35 pm

Joaz Banbeck wrote:Quit rushing him!! Let him think. And write. That is the whole point of a Malkovich game.

Besides, not only does he have to write about his own moves, he has to compensate for MW's brevity.

Stop picking on him!! Let him play. And write. When he feels it is right to write. :batman:

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:37 pm

yoyoma wrote:4 days for move #9 and still not decided?

I am not thinking about just move 9, I am thinking about moves 9 to 39. :razz:

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:34 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O 9 . O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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