Rerun of the Tromp-Taylor bet

Cassandra · Post by **Cassandra** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:46 am

yoyoma wrote:Computers are quickly getting strong at Go, but it looks like it is still very difficult to strip comments from SGF.

OPEN the SGF-file with a text-editor
DO
search "]C["
IF found THEN
expand the text until the number of "[" / "]" after the "C" is equal
type "]" '= deleting the comment
ELSE
END
ENDIF
LOOP

daal · Post by **daal** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:14 am

Cassandra wrote:
yoyoma wrote:Computers are quickly getting strong at Go, but it looks like it is still very difficult to strip comments from SGF.

OPEN the SGF-file with a text-editor
DO
search "]C["
IF found THEN
expand the text until the number of "[" / "]" after the "C" is equal
type "]" '= deleting the comment
ELSE
END
ENDIF
LOOP

I have an inkling of what you're talking about, but for me, easy is something different.

RBerenguel · Post by **RBerenguel** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:28 am

http://senseis.xmp.net/?CommentFilter

speedchase · Post by **speedchase** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:43 am

I just decided to write one in Java... lets see how this goes

RBerenguel · Post by **RBerenguel** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:45 am

Ahhh Java... nooooo!

speedchase · Post by **speedchase** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:03 pm

What? i like java.

RBerenguel · Post by **RBerenguel** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:07 pm

I guessed, it's just it's one of my "don't program again in that" languages

Rémi · Post by **Rémi** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:16 pm

RBerenguel wrote:http://senseis.xmp.net/?CommentFilter

I would rather recommend sgfc:
http://www.red-bean.com/sgf/sgfc/index.html
it can remove comments with the -yC option. You can even do it directly online:
http://www.red-bean.com/sgf/sgfc/munch.html
(enter "C" in the -y option ("delete stuff"))

Rémi

Mike Novack · Post by **Mike Novack** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:01 pm

"Beginner"?

Not with regard to computer go, eh Rémi?

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:35 pm

MultiGo has a "strip comments" feature.

When I saw the game Joaz posted I thought Tromp had passed on move 4 to give a "handicap"... :lol:

EDIT: after looking over the whole thing, maybe he *should* have passed once or twice at the beginning...

yoyoma · Post by **yoyoma** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:03 pm

Game 2, comments stripped by http://www.red-bean.com/sgf/sgfc/munch.cgi

Zen19N won, score is tied 1-1 now.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:04 am

As before, Zen is center biased. Tromp seemed to be trying to beat it at its own game.

badukJr · Post by **badukJr** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:47 am

Can Zen be modified during these strings of matches? He seems to not use enough of his time. I understand being conservative about it though. If MC enters overtime, there won't be enough playouts generated to create necessary confidence level about the moves.

Tromp got lucky when Zen played some wacky moves the first game. I think it will continue to be difficult for him.

SpongeBob · Post by **SpongeBob** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:55 pm

Was it neccessary for Tromp to lose the large group at the bottom in the second game? Was it a misread on his part?

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:39 pm

SpongeBob wrote:Was it neccessary for Tromp to lose the large group at the bottom in the second game? Was it a misread on his part?

I'v'e been wondering that too. From about move 109 to 125, he had sente several times, or could have taken small losses by tenuking to save his group. After 126, it looks dead.

Particularly noteworthy was move 111, with which he killed Zen's upper right. But his net profit there looks smaller than the loss of his dead group. So my conclusion is that, yes, he misread: he thought that he could live after 126 - probably by connecting to the northeast.
Also move 123 looks smaller than the dead group, so he must have thought that he could live.

If he lost on a misread, then my bet is still that he will win. When he does not misread, the game is lopsided.

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