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by EdLee » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:15 am
Simba wrote: I kind of instinctively feel this move is wrong for black, but I'm not entirely sure why (perhaps it's simply too slow)
Indeed
is too slow, too small.
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by EdLee » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:35 am
For Simba, after the game,
(
For beginners. My emphases. )
Simba wrote: it makes it a lot easier for a pincer stone to make something of itself if I approach from one space away. He has a choice of pincers ... to make some kind of sabaki invasion in. And if white pincered then lived in my area on the left..., I could end up with very few points there . ... I would get some thickness on the outside as compensation... but it's not immediately obvious how that would be used.
Very honest and accurate reply by Simba.
It shows some common (?) misunderstanding and fear at these levels: Simba wants to use his powerful
ponnuki
to make territory directly, and this also explains why he played
(which is too slow).
IF B were able to turn the left side into territory with only one more move, it would be very efficient;
but as yithril pointed out, it's not territory yet (even after
).
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by OtakuViking » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:14 am
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by Simba » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:53 am
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by OtakuViking » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:56 pm
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by Simba » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:10 am
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