138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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[go]$$Bcm79 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . X . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O X O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . W O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


His move was certainly big, but this one looks quite a bit bigger...
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Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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My rough count:
BLACK:
upper: 38
left: 8
ll corner: 14
total: 60

WHITE:
UL corner: 22
UR corner: 12
LL corner: 18
right side: 8
total: 60

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Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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k43r wrote:
My rough count:
BLACK:
upper: 38
left: 8
ll corner: 14
total: 60

WHITE:
UL corner: 22
UR corner: 12
LL corner: 18
right side: 8
total: 60

:D


that is very accurate count. impressed.
but...i feel that black is ahead. because of thickness.
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Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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Belated Merry Christmas and a happy new year.
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[go]$$Bcm81 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . X . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O X O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . 1 . . . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . W O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Right; I never don't miss that move.

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[go]$$Bcm81 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O B . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O B . . O . . X . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O X O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . 1 . . . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . W O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I jumped to try and involve the marked stones, and begin creating some kind of aji at 'a'.
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Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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Thank you very much! I wish you a happy new year as well. :)
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[go]$$Bcm81 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . X . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O X O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . W . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This doesn't need a lot of explanation, I just have to connect here.
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Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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[go]$$Bcm83 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . X . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O X O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . W . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Nothing really doing. A few points.
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Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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Sorry for the ultra-late reply! I totally forgot about this game for a moment (dutch championships and exams).
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[go]$$Bcm83 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . X . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O X O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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Oh, cool, how did the dutch championships go? Are there SGFs anywhere?
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[go]$$Bcm85 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . X . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O X O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Gotta be consistent with my last move. At least I become thick from this exchange, so I have less headaches about this area. I'm wondering what's going to constitute sente along the right.
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[go]$$Bcm85
$$ . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ . X . O X . . . X . . |
$$ . O O O X . . , . x . |
$$ . O X O X . . . O . . |
$$ X X X X . z . O i . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ . . . . . . X O . y . |
$$ . X . . . O X , X . . |
$$ X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ O 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------+[/go]
The reliance on the eye at 'i' has to give me something. Albeit, it's not my sente...
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Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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The results are here: nkgo.octalo.com. Some of the SGF's are on the eurogotv1 and eurogotv2 accounts. I got 2 out of 4 on the first weekend and hoping to do the same in the next weekend (tomorrow and the day after). That would mean I'll keep my place in the championships, which is pretty good considering I'm the weakest (on paper) one in the field.

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[go]$$Bcm85 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . X . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O X O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm87 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . X . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O X O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X 1 . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm87 black: 1 white: 0
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . b X O . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . a X . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O X . . . c . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . 1 . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
If I play this :b87: , I feel 'a' may be more interesting for white sometime, as well as leaving another ko threat (I think). I want to play something like B or C anyway (and I think I get a chance before white) so the distance of the jump down there shouldn't matter.
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[go]$$Bcm87 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . X . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O X O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X O . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This is huge, plus I have some endgame possibilities to aim at in that area now, I think he's going to respond locally so I get sente.
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