#157 - hailthorn vs Sur

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#157 - hailthorn vs Sur

Post by Sur »

Hi, I was black last time, I think it's only fair that you are black now! Let's enjoy a great game!

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Alright then, I appreciate it. Good game my friend. Let's make this one a classic! :D

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This is the perfect opportunity to try the Kobayashi if white allows. This will be my first time using this opening, but I've familiarized myself with a lot of the opening situations. Following the fuseki, everything else should be pretty normal.

Actually, this is my first time thinking about Go in quite a few days since I've had the flu, so I hope I haven't gotten rusty.

The last time I played Sur, a bad move :w16: cost me a lot. Maybe I resigned a little too early, but I will not repeat that mistake. Now, I'll just see how this game proceeds. My strategy will hopefully be formed by move 5.
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I'll probably go 2x 4-4, it pretty standard.
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Keeping up with the plan. Of course, I have more options on this board than just the Kobayashi. Hm, but I think I'll stick with my original plan. Sur will probably think I'm going for the Chinese Opening here, which is of course an option.
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I'm not afraid of chinese opening. I have faced it many times with no special strategy of mine and it worked most of the time. I would like him to chose chinese as I like to play it myself and it would be interesting to see it's strenghts and weaknesses in the malkovich game.
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hailthorn011 wrote:Keeping up with the plan. Of course, I have more options on this board than just the Kobayashi. Hm, but I think I'll stick with my original plan. Sur will probably think I'm going for the Chinese Opening here, which is of course an option.

Sur wrote:I'm not afraid of chinese opening. I have faced it many times with no special strategy of mine and it worked most of the time. I would like him to chose chinese as I like to play it myself and it would be interesting to see it's strenghts and weaknesses in the malkovich game.

:D

Sur: another Czech here, fabulous. nice to meet ya, mate. good luck to both
Spilling gasoline feels good.

I might be wrong, but probably not.
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So the Kobayashi trap has officially been laid. If he takes C6, then this game will be fun.

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Of course, he may also play:

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And I am prepared for this. :w6: will determine everything.
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Standard. He chose a very agressive opening (in my opinion). This is not hailthorn as I know him from our previous game. I don't think it will suite his style. But let's see.
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@Sur:
Why do you think that black is playing an aggressive opening? Seems pretty normal to me.
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The plan comes full circle. White has allowed me to play the opening I sought to play. Now I shall proceed as planned. I wonder how familiar Sur is with the Kobayashi opening. I have studied this quite a bit since it was used on me. I'm by no means an expert, but knowledge can give you an advantage.

Back around 12k, knowing the Sanrensei proved effective. Perhaps the Kobayashi fuseki can be my conduit to reaching 6k. This game will mostly be a test.
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Time to learn this approach :-P I feel like anything closer is too close to black's strength.
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This move is standard.

This is my first thought process about how this could turn out. Looks fine to me.

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Re: #157 - hailthorn vs Sur

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Re: #157 - hailthorn vs Sur

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Alright, this is the move I've been wanting to play for awhile now, and it follows the move procedure I displayed on my last move.

On another note, I had absolutely NO troubles with this post! :tmbup:
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