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Re: Red, a Go variant

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topazg wrote: Sequences hidden for brevity, but visible to all:

Sequence 1
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[go]$$Wcm80 :w80: @ :w82:
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . X X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O O O O |
$$ | . . X . . X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 3 2 . X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Remember that captures are simultaneous in Redstone. :b81: would capture the three-stone Black group too.
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . X X O . O . |
$$ | . X O . . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X . . X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . X X O . O . |
$$ | . X O 5 . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X 7 . X X X O X . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . X X O . O . |
$$ | . X O 5 . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X 6 . X X X O X . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Whichever you prefer :)
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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Goodie, I love choices <3
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . 8 . . X X O . O . |
$$ | . X O X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . 8 9 . X X O . O . |
$$ | . X O X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Well, this is going to be an interesting shape. You playing for this?
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . a 8 9 . X X O . O . |
$$ | 0 X O X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
If so, I'll play at "a", capturing three stones
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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Before triggering that, isn't "a" a simultaneous capture?

Edit: nvm, you mentioned 3 stones XD.

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Yeah, definitely some strange shape here.
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | 3 2 X . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Fascinating game. How am I trying to prevent you from getting two eyes already :S
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . 5 X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | 3 2 X 4 0 . . . X X . |
$$ | 7 6 O . 9 8 . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Good grief, this game is silly. Don't play this line if you don't want to, I'm just speculating... ;)
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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Some thoughts for observers only for now:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . 1 |
$$ | . . . . . X 2 O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O 3 O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O . 4 O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X + . X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O 6 O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O . + O 5 X |
$$ | . . . . . X + . X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Alive in sente??? Really???
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
When I was reading, I realized that the below is actually a cut:
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | 3 2 X . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . 6 4 5 + . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . 8 X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
With 97 being the capture.

Though, if black answers my 95 with 96 in the diagram, I think I probably have a way to live even without this interesting cut shape.

Edit:
Though, the above cut removes one possible resistance from black:
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | X O X 5 . . . . X X . |
$$ | 7 6 O 8 0 4 9 a . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Black captures at "a" and then I can use that weird cut.
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | X O X 7 . . . . X X . |
$$ | . 6 O 5 . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Bah.... I'm smelling funny things here.
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | X O X X . . . . X X . |
$$ | 8 O O X . O . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Nice sense of smell - feel free to read the hidden comments.
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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Aha, I knew there was something like that. Mostly because of my reading on how I think I might live here:
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | X O X X . . . . X X . |
$$ | 8 O O X . O . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O X O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . 9 |
$$ | . . . . . X . O X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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Uh-oh, I obviously have a worse sense of smell because I can't see it XD
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | X O X X . . . . X X . |
$$ | 8 O O X . O . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X + . X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
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Re: Red, a Go variant

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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . + . X . X X O . O . |
$$ | O . . X . X O O O O O |
$$ | . O X O . X X X O X . |
$$ | X O X X . . . . X X . |
$$ | O O O X . O . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X O O X O X |
$$ | O X X O O O X X X X X |
$$ | O O X O . O O O X X O |
$$ | . O O O + O O 1 O O O |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X + . X X . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
S'ok, this is where I prove to be wrong no doubt :D
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