normal for a 14k kgs ?

RBerenguel · Post by **RBerenguel** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:59 pm

Illuck, judicata, I use the iPad client, and when the opponent leaves the message is that YOU lose. But it's easy to see: if you then leave you have the win. Easy to see because I have only won 2 games and were due to opponent leaving like this.

lemmata · Post by **lemmata** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:19 pm

For what it's worth, my KGS rank and my Tygem rank are fairly close (3 to 4 kyu). I play once or twice a week on each server.

blade90 · Post by **blade90** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:33 pm

judicata wrote:
mw42 wrote:The only thing you have to worry about at the higher ranks is having your opponent disconnect which means they automatically win.

Did you really mean to say that if someone disconnects they win?? If my opponent disconnects, I wait 5 minutes and win.

Same here, I use the english client (PC) and have won the game after 5 minutes after my opponent left.
It never happed that I lose if they disconnect, but what happend is that I got disconnected and lost before the 5 minutes passed.

@mw42: maybe I create a 4k account and see how they play at that level

mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:22 pm

Of course, I am just speaking from experience, but I am about 1d on KGS and 3-4d on Tygem. So, Tygem = KGS + 2 is merely based on that.

Blade90, when your opponent disconnects every message you receive in game (the chat box, the dancing asexual mice) indicates that you win. However, if you check your game records it is recorded as a loss.

otenki · Post by **otenki** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:37 pm

Maybe intresting to see a typical game for me @ tygem:
I think i lost by about 50 or so.

For reference I'm pyeongsari.

pyeongsari(18K)_dmal0(18K)_201203082331.sgf: (1.8 KiB) Downloaded 825 times

Any comments welcome.

Thanks,
Otenki/pyeongsari =)

blade90 · Post by **blade90** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:54 pm

Well your opponent was not really a sandbagger, his moves 3-3 invasion and such was not joseki and left many weaknesses behind:

Here Black plays 2 but his corner is not alive, after white plays 'a' the best outcome is a ko. (I may be wrong since I just looked at it for 10 seconds^^)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W Moves 18 to 19 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . a . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . 2 . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The reason why you lost is because you need a bit more training in: basic life&death, basic shapes and other basic stuff.
I really recommend you to read "Attack and Defense" from the Elementary Go Series.
So after you start reading it you will realize what you need to change and then you can win against this player ;-)

cyclops · Post by **cyclops** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:48 pm

I think he is plain dead. I don't see the ko.

otenki · Post by **otenki** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:22 am

blade90 wrote:Well your opponent was not really a sandbagger, his moves 3-3 invasion and such was not joseki and left many weaknesses behind:
Here Black plays 2 but his corner is not alive, after white plays 'a' the best outcome is a ko. (I may be wrong since I just looked at it for 10 seconds^^)
$$W Moves 18 to 19
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 2 . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W Moves 18 to 19 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . a . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . 2 . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The reason why you lost is because you need a bit more training in: basic life&death, basic shapes and other basic stuff.
I really recommend you to read "Attack and Defense" from the Elementary Go Series.
So after you start reading it you will realize what you need to change and then you can win against this player

Thanks for showing me this! A lot of times I actualy can solve stuff in tsumegos pretty fast but I seem to forget to check status of groups (including my own groups) while playing.

Not sure I understand your advice, do you mean i should read attack and defence in order to fix the basic stuff or is that just to give me general middle game direction? I will read attack and defence anyway though, this was on my todo list already. Or are you sugestion I should dive into tsumego/tesuji in order to get better at life&death and shapes.

Or should I just play a lot of game to improve these basics ?

Please elaborate how you would improve these "basics".

Thanks a lot!

blade90 · Post by **blade90** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:04 am

otenki wrote:Thanks for showing me this! A lot of times I actualy can solve stuff in tsumegos pretty fast but I seem to forget to check status of groups (including my own groups) while playing.

Not sure I understand your advice, do you mean i should read attack and defence in order to fix the basic stuff or is that just to give me general middle game direction? I will read attack and defence anyway though, this was on my todo list already. Or are you sugestion I should dive into tsumego/tesuji in order to get better at life&death and shapes.

Or should I just play a lot of game to improve these basics ?

Please elaborate how you would improve these "basics".

Thanks a lot!

Reading Attack and Defence fix a lot of basic stuff and give you a direction how to attack and defend.
To tell the truth "Opening Theory Made Easy" and "Attack and Defence" are the only books I read to reach KGS 8k.
Opening Theory Made Easy is a good book that explains a lot of basics, I strongly recommend to read both books.

I think you can start to solve life&death and tesuji problems, but you should first learn "eye shapes".
For life&death I recommend the books "1001 Life and Death Problems", "Graded Go Problems for Beginners Vol. 1-3".
For tesuji I went through "Tesuji" of elementary go series.

And the last step is posting a serious game for review in the "Game Analysis", best are close games or with good examples of fighting.
I think I posted one game each week until I was KGS 10k and that helped a lot.

Edit: @cyclops: You are right, no ko, black is dead if white plays 'a'

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