Best Corner Approach For Tight Spaces

hettingerjm · Post by **hettingerjm** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:20 pm

I was wondering if any of you use a standard approach on a corner that doesn't have many open spaces on either side. An example would be, if the corner and sides had all been played out, except for one corner star point that had 5 spaces on each side open. I've been finding that in most of the approaches in these tight spaces the amount of territory/influence I gain is minimal compared to the territory/influence gained by the response of the other color. Even while I play against myself and try out different joseki.

Is there a common approach/joseki that is used more so for tight enclosures on a 4/4 point?

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:39 pm

Welcome aboard.

To play on the outside, this is the normal way:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc (From Ishida's) $$ --------------------+ $$ . . . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . | $$ . 6 . . 1 2 . . . . | $$ X . 5 . 3 . X . . . | $$ b . . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . . 4 . . . | $$ . . . a . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . | $$ , . . . . . X . . . |[/go]

(White's group is under attack, but it has scope for eyes and moving out)

The other (possibly most) common idea is to play the 3-3 invasion, and then just reduce black's moyo from the edges, gently. After all, black played three times in this corner, he should get quite a few points.

hettingerjm · Post by **hettingerjm** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:49 pm

That looks more solid. I think I was just trying to expand my base too big, and being a little too greedy. Thanks for the help!

SoDesuNe · Post by **SoDesuNe** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:14 pm

Depending on the whole-board-situation you can go for either of this moves. And of course there are a lot of "Josekis" evolving around those moves but I don't know them either ; ) Just try them and see what you can get, would be my advice.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------+ $$ . . . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . c d . . . | $$ . . . . e . b a . . | $$ X . . f . . X b d . | $$ . . . . . . . . c . | $$ . . . . . . . e . . | $$ . . . . . . f . . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . | $$ , . . . . . X . . . |[/go]

RBerenguel · Post by **RBerenguel** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:15 am

Lluís told me yesterday (after the Nongshim game review) about how useful "d" and "c" can be. Then he proceeded to play "d" in our next game

hettingerjm · Post by **hettingerjm** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:28 am

Ooo... C and d look fun. I need to try those. What is yalls favorite resource for joseki? IgowinJoseki and playing it out on kgs only get you so far.

SoDesuNe · Post by **SoDesuNe** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:38 am

Takao Shinji's "The 21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki", though I only have volume one so far, which does not feature 4*4-Josekis.

Laman · Post by **Laman** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:03 am

hettingerjm wrote:Ooo... C and d look fun. I need to try those. What is yalls favorite resource for joseki? IgowinJoseki and playing it out on kgs only get you so far.

http://eidogo.com/, http://www.josekipedia.com/. and of course senseis, as long as you find it helpful

but then again, i don't study systematically, just check out unfamiliar patterns i encounter in games

Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:49 pm

You've probably been told by now that the 3-3 invasion of a 4-4 stone on an otherwise near-empty board is suboptimal, and that's right, but when your opponent has a lot of strength in an area so that living on the side would be cramped or impossible, 3-3 invasion often becomes a really good move.

Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:57 am

^illuck, you of all people would like a post calling 3-3 a good move

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