154. illuck vs. Celebrir
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Yeah, that's my result as well. Thanks for the game, it was a really intresting one
I'll take a look at the comments now and review them. I think I'll post some aftergame thoughts as well as soon as I finished.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Thank you for the game as well, quite exciting (especially towards the end)!
I'll be looking through the comments now as well, but probably won't post thoughts today as I have some random school work to do.
I'll be looking through the comments now as well, but probably won't post thoughts today as I have some random school work to do.
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Comments about comments:
Loons after B13: Right, that would have been a great game
flOvermind after W16: I was to worried about black taking sente to play at something liek Q10 here. Maybe you're right and I should have played there.
flOvermind after W22: I think I failed to make clear what I wanted to say here. "Of course this is a probe. So he doesn't have to play the full variations now." should pretty much say what Uberdude pointed out later.
illuck at 101: I agree that this was the best move for you here.
hyperpape after W144: Couldn't
be at
in your first diagram ? W still has two libierties. With this it doesn't seem like B got uch out of this.
Moves I like:
B7: Really looks more intresting than D2...
B13: I think this made the game far more intresting.
W16: This seems to be a move where I disagree with illucks comments. I still like it because I think it was this move which allowed my to build a big center.
W56: This really seems to big, but I don't see a way to punish it without much danger for B so it seems to be great.
W62: Later this did a lot of good things for me connecting wouldn't have done.
B63: This seems like a big miss for me...
W68: Another move which seems to much at first glance but works out well.
B87 & B89: Got me completly unprepared... Was sure to get sente here...
W108: For me it looks like I get the more than I should.
W156: Got me one more sente and was my in my opinion best endgame move.
Moves I dislike:
W8: I'm not sure whether this was really the best... Now it feels like I'm overconcentrating my stones in the corners while black develops quickly.
B43: Is that really joseki ? The block seems to be far to good for W...
W64: The discussion afterwards shows why I don't like it anymore... I really should have played a little more aggressive here...
B141: I still think he should have played at the top... Any thought from you illuck ?
W168: Should be at D10...
W210: Should be at B211 like I wrote at my last hidden comment.
Conclusion of this game: I'm quite satisfied with the result. It was my first time I played a more serious game against double san-san and I think I did quite well. Besides I normally don't go for large center groups like the stones around N8 are, so it was a good experience for me. I should have played more aggressive at some parts which seems a little bit like a good sign because I was to aggressive for a long time. I just have to find the right mix. Another thing I feel is that I gave away to much sente moves but I don't know what to do against that...
Thanks to everyone who wrote comments to this game. Malkovich is really a nice experience
Loons after B13: Right, that would have been a great game
flOvermind after W16: I was to worried about black taking sente to play at something liek Q10 here. Maybe you're right and I should have played there.
flOvermind after W22: I think I failed to make clear what I wanted to say here. "Of course this is a probe. So he doesn't have to play the full variations now." should pretty much say what Uberdude pointed out later.
illuck at 101: I agree that this was the best move for you here.
hyperpape after W144: Couldn't
be at
in your first diagram ? W still has two libierties. With this it doesn't seem like B got uch out of this.Moves I like:
B7: Really looks more intresting than D2...
B13: I think this made the game far more intresting.
W16: This seems to be a move where I disagree with illucks comments. I still like it because I think it was this move which allowed my to build a big center.
W56: This really seems to big, but I don't see a way to punish it without much danger for B so it seems to be great.
W62: Later this did a lot of good things for me connecting wouldn't have done.
B63: This seems like a big miss for me...
W68: Another move which seems to much at first glance but works out well.
B87 & B89: Got me completly unprepared... Was sure to get sente here...
W108: For me it looks like I get the more than I should.
W156: Got me one more sente and was my in my opinion best endgame move.
Moves I dislike:
W8: I'm not sure whether this was really the best... Now it feels like I'm overconcentrating my stones in the corners while black develops quickly.
B43: Is that really joseki ? The block seems to be far to good for W...
W64: The discussion afterwards shows why I don't like it anymore... I really should have played a little more aggressive here...
B141: I still think he should have played at the top... Any thought from you illuck ?
W168: Should be at D10...
W210: Should be at B211 like I wrote at my last hidden comment.
Conclusion of this game: I'm quite satisfied with the result. It was my first time I played a more serious game against double san-san and I think I did quite well. Besides I normally don't go for large center groups like the stones around N8 are, so it was a good experience for me. I should have played more aggressive at some parts which seems a little bit like a good sign because I was to aggressive for a long time. I just have to find the right mix. Another thing I feel is that I gave away to much sente moves but I don't know what to do against that...
Thanks to everyone who wrote comments to this game. Malkovich is really a nice experience
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Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
It's a bit late, but I'm now finally going through the comments
Thanks to everyone spent their time to leave comments!
I won't really comment on the individual moves because 1) they are mostly explained when I made the moves and 2) I have managed to forget most of what I read but didn't post at the time.
Instead, I'll talk about my overall feelings about this game.
I think Celebrir played very well, and I got a bit lucky in the endgame despite the J7 blunder. It feels like part of my issue for this game was that I was too laid back and optimistic (for example, looking back, magicwand's suggestion of peep and then shoulderhit instead of R12 at move 45 looks much more active). I had managed to convince myself that I was comfortably ahead until near the endgame, when I tried to count more accurately and realized that it was a really close game XD
I also feel like I got a bit outread at places by Celebrir - for example, giving white the ponnuki on the left-centre because I missed a cut and later in game I missed that white can L16 peep until it was too late.
Thanks again to Celebrir for the fun and exciting game
I won't really comment on the individual moves because 1) they are mostly explained when I made the moves and 2) I have managed to forget most of what I read but didn't post at the time.
Instead, I'll talk about my overall feelings about this game.
I think Celebrir played very well, and I got a bit lucky in the endgame despite the J7 blunder. It feels like part of my issue for this game was that I was too laid back and optimistic (for example, looking back, magicwand's suggestion of peep and then shoulderhit instead of R12 at move 45 looks much more active). I had managed to convince myself that I was comfortably ahead until near the endgame, when I tried to count more accurately and realized that it was a really close game XD
I also feel like I got a bit outread at places by Celebrir - for example, giving white the ponnuki on the left-centre because I missed a cut and later in game I missed that white can L16 peep until it was too late.
Thanks again to Celebrir for the fun and exciting game