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[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
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$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . 6 . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . 8 . |
$$ | . . O . O . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . 6 . O O . |
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$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 8 . |
$$ | . . O . O . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . 6 . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . 1 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . |
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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . 3 |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . |
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$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . |
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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


I have a feeling this will gain a lot of othello-qualities very shortlu ...
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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | 8 . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Points remaining that don't lead to a capture:

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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | a . a . . . 6 . . . a |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . |
$$ | a . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | 8 . O . . . b . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . a |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 . . a |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Unfortunately, the "b" points allow Mark control over parity - something which is a serious tactical consideration. I've pretty much lost this game I think, but I have learned a useful thing or two about strategy.
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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | 9 . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | 8 . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

I can't resist reading your hides, Graham. It's a long way from over. Your k8 structure is pretty formidable. Last time I tried going small against a beginner in square Oust, I succeeded, but just barely.

Oust is not a game of parity like Dots and Boxes. It certainly can feel like it because the board gradually fills, leading to an "event" of some sort, like the first player who has to make a kill (assuming they're both reluctant), or the first to make a big group, etc. But such events are not decisive. Oust is a game of comebacks. Whoever loses the event can still win.
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Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

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We've already shown that I don't know a thing about this game, but can't Topazg play at the c points, which will help with uh... parity "stuff"?

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[go]$$Bcm21 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | a . a . . . 6 . . . a |
$$ | . 4 . . 5 . . c . 2 . |
$$ | a . . . . . O . . 4 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . c |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 2 . |
$$ | 8 . O . . . b . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . a |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 . . a |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Also, after :w30: doesn't :b31: become a bad point for Mark? It gives him a 4-string and a safe point to play at e (unless Mark plays there, giving Topazg a 5-string.

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[go]$$Bcm29 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | 1 . 3 . e . O . . . a |
$$ | 2 O 4 4 X . . c . O . |
$$ | a . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . c |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . b . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . a |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . a |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
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after :w30: doesn't :b31: become a bad point for Mark? It gives him a 4-string and a safe point to play at e (unless Mark plays there, giving Topazg a 5-string.

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[go]$$Bcm29 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | 1 . 3 . e . O . . . a |
$$ | 2 O 4 4 X . . c . O . |
$$ | a . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . c |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O . O . . . b . . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . a |
$$ | . X . X . . O . O O . |
$$ | X . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . a |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Yep, for 31 I'd probably move d11 instead.
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