Loose - luigi vs topazg

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:17 am

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Scary but fun - the best way to play Go

luigi · Post by **luigi** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:57 pm

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Not a game for the fainthearted, indeed!

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:07 am

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luigi · Post by **luigi** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:09 pm

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Do or die.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:57 pm

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Into that valley we go!

luigi · Post by **luigi** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:51 pm

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topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:25 pm

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luigi · Post by **luigi** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:38 am

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As an example,

at j12 doesn't work:

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 :black: 18| :white: 17 $$ ----------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . 6 X X X . 4 . | $$ | . . . . . . O X X . X O 7 | $$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . . , . . , X O 2 O O 5 | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O 1 X . . | $$ | . . X , . . , . X , . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O 3 . | $$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . | $$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------[/go]

... flipping White's group.

Similarly, I think

at h13 doesn't work, either.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:56 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 :black: 18| :white: 18 $$ ----------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 4 X . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . . , . . , X O , O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . 5 O . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . X 2 . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . , . 3 6 . 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . | $$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------[/go]

luigi · Post by **luigi** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:24 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 :black: 19| :white: 18 $$ ----------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 4 X . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . . , . . , X X , O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . 5 X 7 O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . X . . | $$ | . . X , . . , . 3 6 . 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . | $$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------[/go]

Maybe you didn't realize this capture was possible? We can go back if you want.

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:03 pm

I definitely didn't see it.

christian freeling · Post by **christian freeling** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:16 pm

hyperpape wrote:I definitely didn't see it.

It may be quite difficult for Go players to not look at Loose through 'Go glasses', at least initially. This is an example that for more seasoned players would most likely be filed under 'basic tactics'. It's all about 'false eye recognition'. At the same time I feel it does require more visual dexterity recognizing life/death situations in Loose than in Go.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:25 pm

Mmmmmm, very nice

No, I'd need to go back a few moves to replan around that, and that seems unreasonable - too much liberty counting in Go form, and not enough paying attention to Loose rules - very nicely played, I resign!

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:49 pm

It is hard to see that

took away a White liberty. I sure missed it.

luigi · Post by **luigi** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:01 pm

topazg wrote:Mmmmmm, very nice
No, I'd need to go back a few moves to replan around that, and that seems unreasonable - too much liberty counting in Go form, and not enough paying attention to Loose rules - very nicely played, I resign!

OK, thanks for the game, topazg. I must confess that I didn't expect to win in the least, especially after giving up the lower right corner in exchange for nothing right in the opening.

I think

was your losing move. Instead,

at

would have been winning:

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 :black: 17| :white: 17 $$ ----------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . O O X X X O . | $$ | . . . , . 1 X X O 4 O O . | $$ | . . . . . 3 O O O . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . X X O 5 X . . | $$ | . . X , . . , O X O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . 2 X 6 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . , . . , X X . | $$ | . . O . . . . O O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------[/go]

... winning the capturing race and the game.

You defended the corner very well throughout the game. I was expecting to capture it much earlier, but I think

was a mistake. I should have simply played at l9 instead.

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