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Offline cyclops
 Post subject: how to loose a won game?
Post #1 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:01 am 
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how did he loose?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X X O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X . . X . X X O O O X O O O O O O |
$$ | O O X X . . X O O O X X X . X X X O X |
$$ | . O O X . X O O O X . . . X . . . X X |
$$ | . O X . X O O X . X . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X . X O X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . O X X O O X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X X X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X O O . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O O O O O O . O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O X X O O X . . O X X |
$$ | . O O O O O X . X O X X X . X X O O X |
$$ | O X X O X X . X X . X . . X . X X O O |
$$ | . O X X X . X . . , . . X O O X X O . |
$$ | . O X O X X O X X . . X X O O O O O O |
$$ | B . O O O O O O X O . . X X X O . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X X . O X X O O . X . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

W, tidymind ( 9d KGS ) to loose a 4H game against a 5d bot?
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Offline SoDesuNe
 Post subject: Re: how to loose a won game?
Post #2 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:23 am 
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Assuming he thought the marked stone did not threaten him... Though one has to count...
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[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X X O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X . . X . X X O O O X O O O O O O |
$$ | O O X X . . X O O O X X X . X X X O X |
$$ | . O O X . X O O O X . . . X . . . X X |
$$ | . O X . X O O X . X . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X . X O X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . O X X O O X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X 1 X O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X X X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X O O . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O O O O O O . O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O X X O O X . . O X X |
$$ | . O O O O O X . X O X X X . X X O O X |
$$ | O X X O X X . X X . X . . X . X X O O |
$$ | 2 O X X X . X . . , . . X O O X X O . |
$$ | . O X O X X O X X . . X X O O O O O O |
$$ | B . O O O O O O X O . . X X X O . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X X . O X X O O . X . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline shapenaji
 Post subject: Re: how to loose a won game?
Post #3 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:37 pm 
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Perhaps... this?
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[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X X O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X . . X . X X O O O X O O O O O O |
$$ | O O X X . . X O O O X X X . X X X O X |
$$ | . O O X . X O O O X . . . X . . . X X |
$$ | . O X . X O O X . X . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X . X O X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . O X X O O X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X 1 X O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X X X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X O O . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O O O O O O . O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O X X O O X . . O X X |
$$ | . O O O O O X . X O X X X . X X O O X |
$$ | O X X O X X . X X . X . . X . X X O O |
$$ | 3 O X X X . X . . , . . X O O X X O . |
$$ | . O X O X X O X X . . X X O O O O O O |
$$ | B 2 O O O O O O X O . . X X X O . X O |
$$ | . 4 . . . . O X X X . O X X O O . X . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

and the bottom left is dead

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Offline RBerenguel
 Post subject: Re: how to loose a won game?
Post #4 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:08 pm 
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shapenaji wrote:
Perhaps... this?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X . . . . X X O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X . . X . X X O O O X O O O O O O |
$$ | O O X X . . X O O O X X X . X X X O X |
$$ | . O O X . X O O O X . . . X . . . X X |
$$ | . O X . X O O X . X . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X . X O X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . O X X O O X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X 1 X O O O X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X X X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X O O . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O O O O O O . O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O X X O O X . . O X X |
$$ | . O O O O O X . X O X X X . X X O O X |
$$ | O X X O X X . X X . X . . X . X X O O |
$$ | 3 O X X X . X . . , . . X O O X X O . |
$$ | . O X O X X O X X . . X X O O O O O O |
$$ | B 2 O O O O O O X O . . X X X O . X O |
$$ | . 4 . . . . O X X X . O X X O O . X . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

and the bottom left is dead


I also was thinking about this one... But why resign and not keep playing the ko? (no large ko threats, I assume?)

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Offline blade90
 Post subject: Re: how to loose a won game?
Post #5 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:27 pm 
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Ko? Where?

Well that's a rather easy variation, but I guess he just didn't really read that out.
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Offline cyclops
 Post subject: Re: how to loose a won game?
Post #6 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:00 pm 
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shapenaji got it right, he must have some experience :bow:
move 251

edit: A2 was played as a ko threat risking the loss of the H10 group. If a bot plays such move it is better to count your liberties trice!


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Offline Koroviev
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Post #7 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:34 pm 
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