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Post #41 Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:28 pm 
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"I think none exists specific to go?...... I'd very happily pay for such a feature."

I took that as a question about the existence of such software and that we were not restricting the answer to free as in free beer software.

I thought I was giving an answer, that I believe such software exists and that MFOG would be an example. But I never formally tested the behavior of the "solve go problems" part of this program, never kept formal statistics on the frequency of reappearance of problems. Just my "sense" that ones I usually got wrong kept reappearing and those I usually got right seemed to be replaced by new ones over time. Time in this case being number of problems tried, not real time.

I also noted that the free trial version does not allow access to anything beyond the "easy" set of problems (the paid for version also offers an "intermediate" and "hard" set). I suggested that you look at the free trial version and keep statistics on the behavior of the "easy" set of problems if you don't think it is serving problems up based upon your history of getting them right or wrong.

PLEASE -- this is not intended as a push of some specific product. When faced with the claim "none exists" the easiest, most natural response is to give one example that does. People should feel free to add additional examples.

BTW: In terms of exact problems this might be memorization but I think more generalized learning of patterns and possibilities is taking place.

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Post #42 Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:04 pm 
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Mike Novack wrote:
Can we return to the beginning?


"I think none exists specific to go?...... I'd very happily pay for such a feature."

I took that as a question about the existence of such software and that we were not restricting the answer to free as in free beer software.

I thought I was giving an answer, that I believe such software exists and that MFOG would be an example. But I never formally tested the behavior of the "solve go problems" part of this program, never kept formal statistics on the frequency of reappearance of problems. Just my "sense" that ones I usually got wrong kept reappearing and those I usually got right seemed to be replaced by new ones over time. Time in this case being number of problems tried, not real time.

I also noted that the free trial version does not allow access to anything beyond the "easy" set of problems (the paid for version also offers an "intermediate" and "hard" set). I suggested that you look at the free trial version and keep statistics on the behavior of the "easy" set of problems if you don't think it is serving problems up based upon your history of getting them right or wrong.

PLEASE -- this is not intended as a push of some specific product. When faced with the claim "none exists" the easiest, most natural response is to give one example that does. People should feel free to add additional examples.

BTW: In terms of exact problems this might be memorization but I think more generalized learning of patterns and possibilities is taking place.


And I appreciated your input. The issue was I was not specific enough in my question in the initial post, I should have specified exactly what I meant by spaced repetition system and so on. I've been considering buying MFOG on and off for a while now as it happens. I'm also being swayed by Bill into thinking that SRS might not be the best method to bring to bear on tsumego.

With regard to your last statement: that is/was my hope with this approach.

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Post #43 Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:28 pm 
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I'm late to the party, but my website does spaced repitition for joseki positions. I don't have time at the moment to expand that to problems, but it's on my list, which is far too long lately...

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Post #44 Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:19 pm 
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Boidhre wrote:
I'm also being swayed by Bill into thinking that SRS might not be the best method to bring to bear on tsumego.


I am being swayed to think that SRS might be good for basic shape, tesuji, and status problems. :)

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Post #45 Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:32 pm 
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Bill Spight wrote:
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I'm also being swayed by Bill into thinking that SRS might not be the best method to bring to bear on tsumego.


I am being swayed to think that SRS might be good for basic shape, tesuji, and status problems. :)


Which are essentially what I solve at the moment! Since a one move kill is effectively asking: Show that you know that the status of this group is undetermined. I can see some value in memorising these kinds of shapes, especially corner and side shapes.

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Post #46 Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:41 am 
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Updated my Anki plugin to work with the latest version. It supports sgf via the eidogo javascript viewer. Its name is "Go problem Viewer New" (lost my old account, hence the "New")


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Post #47 Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:09 am 
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Wildclaw wrote:
Updated my Anki plugin to work with the latest version. It supports sgf via the eidogo javascript viewer. Its name is "Go problem Viewer New" (lost my old account, hence the "New")


Thank you very much!

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Post #48 Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:21 pm 
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Updated my Anki plugin to work with the latest version. It supports sgf via the eidogo javascript viewer. Its name is "Go problem Viewer New" (lost my old account, hence the "New")


I'm afraid there appears to be a problem with the plugin, only part of the viewer is visible on the card.

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Post #49 Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:03 pm 
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I'm afraid there appears to be a problem with the plugin, only part of the viewer is visible on the card.


It uses the eidogo compact mode and should look something like this. After clicking the Show Answer button you get the different variations marked also.

Or is there some other display problem?

Edit: However, if you use the sgf tag twice in the same fact, then you can get strange looking viewers. Best is to simple use the import item in the tools menu as it allows you to quickly add items in a good fashion.

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Post #50 Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:18 pm 
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Wildclaw wrote:
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I'm afraid there appears to be a problem with the plugin, only part of the viewer is visible on the card.


It uses the eidogo compact mode and should look something like this. After clicking the Show Answer button you get the different variations marked also.

Or is there some other display problem?

Edit: However, if you use the sgf tag twice in the same fact, then you can get strange looking viewers. Best is to simple use the import item in the tools menu as it allows you to quickly add items in a good fashion.


Only part of the viewer/problem is shown. I'd only see the left side of that problem (and only the back button) on one of my cards for some reason. It looks like only the left hand third of the "image" is shown. I used the import option from tools so I don't think it's a problem with the code on the card. I'll take a look at the code on the card when I get back to my PC.

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Post #51 Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:50 pm 
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Only part of the viewer/problem is shown. I'd only see the left side of that problem (and only the back button) on one of my cards for some reason. It looks like only the left hand third of the "image" is shown. I used the import option from tools so I don't think it's a problem with the code on the card. I'll take a look at the code on the card when I get back to my PC.


Strange. Could be a problem with the eidogo viewer. The compact mode is probably a lot less tested than the full mode. Also, I am using a fairly (as in very) old version of it.

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Post #52 Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:41 pm 
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Wildclaw wrote:
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Only part of the viewer/problem is shown. I'd only see the left side of that problem (and only the back button) on one of my cards for some reason. It looks like only the left hand third of the "image" is shown. I used the import option from tools so I don't think it's a problem with the code on the card. I'll take a look at the code on the card when I get back to my PC.


Strange. Could be a problem with the eidogo viewer. The compact mode is probably a lot less tested than the full mode. Also, I am using a fairly (as in very) old version of it.


I did some testing there. It works fine with a 19x19 board and only screws up with a 13x13 board. You're right I think, it's most likely a problem with the version of the viewer.

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Post #53 Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:17 am 
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I did some testing there. It works fine with a 19x19 board and only screws up with a 13x13 board. You're right I think, it's most likely a problem with the version of the viewer.


Looks like the bug still exists in eidogo, so I uploaded a new plugin version that bypasses the problem by using full mode when the sgf isn't 19x19. It doesn't look nice at all, but at least it should work.


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