#159 - opex vs Nome

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Re: #159 - opex vs Nome

Post by Nome »

So, I don't think this move requires to much explanation, but I want to go over my last move.

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Essentially, I considered continuing playing in the bottom left part in the board with either a or b. I think the point A is pretty big for either player, and I would like to get sente at some point so that I can come back and play it. The cut at B seems interesting, but I don't really know how I could follow it up. I know that trying to kill that white group is probably the wrong idea, so I want to attack it for profit, but I don't think I can at this point. If white takes the time to come back and fix the cut, I will get to play a free move elsewhere.

Ultimately, my groups seem strong enough in the bottom left that I can invade up top. 3-3 seems the simplest so that's what I chose.


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Re: #159 - opex vs Nome

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Hane at the head of two stones cannot be bad :)
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Re: #159 - opex vs Nome

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Not much to say here.


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Re: #159 - opex vs Nome

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Don't allow atari
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Re: #159 - opex vs Nome

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Well, can't decide between b13 and c13. c13 is joseki, but having c12 in place, it feels overconcentrated. But with b13 some complications may occur soon...
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still not much to say


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Re: #159 - opex vs Nome

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He will protect the cut, and then I will play E8 like I've been wanting to. I don't think he can afford to leave the cut.


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定石です (jouseki desu) :)
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Re: #159 - opex vs Nome

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As I mentioned earlier, I feel like this move is really big for both white and black, so I am going to take. I feel like I still have a lead in this game, so I am not going to try anything drastic. I'll probably try counting the score in the next few turns, but I am currently feeling kind of lazy and I am sitting in a class.



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I'll venture to connect that stone to steal some territory. Now it's time for him to attack the g5 group.
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Re: #159 - opex vs Nome

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Have either of you done a score count recent? If so, what's you strategy around it?
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Re: #159 - opex vs Nome

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I wonder what happened to Nome.. He hasn't been here for a week already

topazg, i haven't :)
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Re: #159 - opex vs Nome

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May i claim timeout and read hidden comments? :)
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