164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Twitchy Go · Post by **Twitchy Go** » Tue May 08, 2012 3:08 pm

This is the first Malkovitch game for either of us. Wanderling has agreed to play an even game, I will do my best to keep the game very interesting as thanks. :salute:

We have chosen for color through PM. I won and am taking Black.
Edit: Just to mention Komi is 6.5, we decided this in PM and forgot to mention.

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My initial game plan here(exact placement of 2 and 4 not important for comments purpose.). solid territory is something I value as Black. Aiming for immediate enclosure of one corner and a likely pincer follow up. W approach at a, B at b. I will probably enclose the second corner if W does not approach.
But we will see if W does anything unexpected with his initial moves.

Edit:

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Since my last post I've learned about the shusaku fuseki.. If he opens in the bottom left I think I'll try it out this game.

Lets get this game started good sir!

Wanderling · Post by **Wanderling** » Sat May 12, 2012 10:57 am

Q4

Twitchy Go · Post by **Twitchy Go** » Sat May 12, 2012 11:30 am

Feel free to keep posting your moves as cordinates, or make diagrams of your own. I am fine with either system

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Ok, he played in the bottom right( :oops:

). I can try the shusaku fuseki now! I do hope he doesn't take that last corner. For one thing I wouldn't be able to play there myself. And for another thing... that results in me having an pincer-extension to any approach of the top left

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I think this would leave black with an advantage. I doubt I have the skill to capitalize... but my plan for this game now is to try out shusaku's fuseki. So I'd rather have an approach on the marked stone. I've tried on KGS..but they always take the wrong corners :mad:

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sat May 12, 2012 11:31 am

Is this open or closed book?

Twitchy Go,

Twitchy Go · Post by **Twitchy Go** » Sat May 12, 2012 11:42 am

EdLee wrote::) Is this open or closed book?

We are not using joseki dictionaries or databases.
@observers

Wanderling · Post by **Wanderling** » Sat May 12, 2012 11:44 am

Closed

D4

Twitchy Go · Post by **Twitchy Go** » Sat May 12, 2012 11:44 am

Twitchy Go,

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Twitchy Go · Post by **Twitchy Go** » Sat May 12, 2012 11:48 am

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sat May 12, 2012 12:25 pm

Twitchy Go,

Twitchy Go · Post by **Twitchy Go** » Sat May 12, 2012 12:53 pm

@EdLee

EdLee wrote:Twitchy Go,
Twitchy Go wrote:What do you mean with your second statement?
I understand the feeling: once in a while a situation comes up with a possible variation that I'm inexperienced with,
and I hope my opponent would play it, so that I can experience it and learn from it.

But, if I make a mistake, or, if there's a big point or good move left on the board,
and I hope my opponent would not see it (and so he would not play it), that's not Go.

So if you considered the last empty corner D4 to be the biggest move on the board,
but at the same time you hoped he would not play it... c'mon.

I actually don't think the last corner is the most urgent for W. Biggest perhaps(?), but from what I understand of this fuseki.
W wants to approach with 4 and 6. Black will play a, if no komi(because its slower. Has great follow ups though). b if komi(faster and still keeps pressure on white.) and it continues from there.

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If instead W takes the 2nd starpoint. B gets an enclosure and now any approach on the upper left 3-4 will be met by a pincer-extension.
I don't think this result is favorable for W. And as a result hoped that he would approach my 1 stone instead. I feel that Whit 4 in diagram 1 to be a more correct response(albeit my knowledge is far from even amateurish on the subject.) But like I said in my comments, can I back up the advantage I believe dia 2 gives me?

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sat May 12, 2012 8:51 pm

Twitchy Go,

Twitchy Go · Post by **Twitchy Go** » Sat May 12, 2012 9:26 pm

EdLee wrote:Twitchy Go,
Twitchy Go wrote:most urgent for W. Biggest perhaps(?)
Most urgent = biggest.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sat May 12, 2012 9:32 pm

Twitchy Go,

Twitchy Go · Post by **Twitchy Go** » Sat May 12, 2012 9:59 pm

EdLee wrote:Twitchy Go,
Twitchy Go wrote:Then I guess its not the biggest. If I were playing W, I would have approached with my second move. I feel that that is the best move W has.
Taking the empty corner and approaching a 3-4 are about the same. No problem.
I would play at D4 like Wanderling.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun May 13, 2012 2:55 am

Twitchy Go,

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