World Amateur Go Championship 2012

[snorri]

Quite pleased to see Yuan Zhou win against Japan.

Yes. It would be interesting to see that game. Is that the first big upset in this tournament?

[HKA]

The Japan US game is up on the AGA homepage with pro commentary.

[dankenzon]

I don't think the victory of the US representative against Japan one is the biggest upset.

For those who knows the background of the USA player he is able of that, and also seeing that the japanese get in troubles just in the two previous rounds: with Thailand (where he put himself in some not good shapes) and against South Korea (the korean guy put him behind from the very beginning), the possibility of beating Japan was clear.

In the paper, the biggest upset is the victory of the Chile player against Brasil. Check it out

[NeoNemesis]

To me, Japan's loss to the US was definitely the biggest upset. Japan had that game won for sure and he was leading through the whole game, even though US played well. As much as I'd like the US to do well as an American myself, something just doesn't feel right to me about a game so close to the end, so far in points and yet, the obvious winner lost on time.

I have been to a tournament before a long time ago where the game was very close but the clock was running low for my opponent and he started having 1 hand on the clock and 1 playing moves very quickly so he doesn't run out of time. I knew I'd feel dirty if I won on time or due to my opponent rushing the endgame so I just told him to not worry about time and just play it out normally. Iirc, I lost by a little but at least I felt proud of my loss instead of dirty for my victory. Call me naive, but it's a shame to me as an American that our representative did not feel the same way, although it is not to be expected. At the very least, I would have somehow warned my opponent about the time.

[jts]

The Japan US game is up on the AGA homepage with pro commentary.

For the lazy:

http://www.usgo.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2012.05.14_WAGC_Rd4_US-Japan.sgf

[Javaness2]

I have been to a tournament before a long time ago where the game was very close but the clock was running low for my opponent and he started having 1 hand on the clock and 1 playing moves very quickly so he doesn't run out of time.

If my opponent is breaking the rules, I don't really mind if he loses. That said, the overtime wasn't exactly dangerous, 30 seconds 3 times. If Japan lost, I have to say, just judging from the end position, it's his own fault. There is little left to care about on the board?

[NeoNemesis]

I have been to a tournament before a long time ago where the game was very close but the clock was running low for my opponent and he started having 1 hand on the clock and 1 playing moves very quickly so he doesn't run out of time.

If my opponent is breaking the rules, I don't really mind if he loses. That said, the overtime wasn't exactly dangerous, 30 seconds 3 times. If Japan lost, I have to say, just judging from the end position, it's his own fault. There is little left to care about on the board?

It's a good point, but since the game is almost over, why not just finish it. The Japanese guy is an older gentleman. He may be less familiar or forgetful when it comes to clocks. I don't think he was deliberately breaking the rules. My opponents in real life tournaments often forget to press their clocks. Sometimes even I do. Of course, I wasn't there, so it's hard to say what actually happened in regards to time. What's unquestionable is what is on the board. I think anyone with a basic knowledge of go can win that game in the Japanese player's position.

I don't know and it's completely the American's right to take the victory. I just believe it's good sportsmanship to finish a game that's almost done.

[Uberdude]

it's completely the American's right to take the victory.

He may not have been the one to make this decision, it's just following rules. Maybe this was one of the top games with a referee/recorder so when Nakazono lost on time Zhou didn't even have to claim the win on time, but someone else declared him the winner. Or maybe he did warn him, or maybe he didn't because to tell a Japanese amateur champion how to use a clock would be disrespectful, of course he knows!

There was a British tournament a few years ago where someone lost on time, but his opponent wanted to carry on. The guy who lost on time then won on the board and that was recorded as the result (and he won the tournament later). It caused quite a kerfuffle.

If Zhou turns round and says "No, I refuse to take the time win!", he may upset other people affected by the result, SOS etc, as well as not following the rules of the tournament.

I just believe it's good sportsmanship to finish a game that's almost done.

Seems to me Zhou wanted to finish the game (otherwise he could have resigned if he was clearly behind), but his opponent prevented this from happening by playing too slowly!

Basically, if your opponent fails to play his move in his time then we can feel sorry for him, but to question the sportsmanship of the winner (unless he's doing obvious nonsense invading secure territory etc.) is unfair.

P.S. I lose tournament games on time more than most people.

[NeoNemesis]

According to http://ranka.intergofed.org/, it seems like a slight clock malfunction which confused both players until the clock ran out of time. My apologies to the American representative. I wonder how often this happens in the WAGC. They should use better clocks if this happens too often.

[Uberdude]

Ouch, that's unfortunate.

Just looked at China Macau game, it's hard to believe black neglected to f16 in sente before living at b16, that shape is basically a joseki (when b has ladder which he has, and I don't see something like j9 being a good enough ladder breaker).

[speedchase]

According to http://ranka.intergofed.org/, it seems like a slight clock malfunction which confused both players until the clock ran out of time. My apologies to the American representative. I wonder how often this happens in the WAGC. They should use better clocks if this happens too often.

The officials decided that there was no clock malfunction, but rather that he just ran out of time.

[Laman]

i've heard (from report by Lukáš Podpěra) that after the confusion Nakazono actually pushed his clock few seconds before the end of the period, but the clock wouldn't respond and announced the time loss. i can't tell what had really happened, just wanted to share another version of the events

i am only familiar with the ing clock, but for them it is truth that i occasionaly have to push them twice in order for them to take a notice. luckily never happened in such a time trouble to cause me to lose. it shows an advantage of DGT style clock over the clock with buttons. once you push them, it is obvious

either way, the moral of the story is that you should never resign and sometimes it earns you a win regardless of the situation on the board

[HermanHiddema]

Standings after round 5:

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Pl Name                          Country              Pt   SOS       
1  QIAO Zhijian                  China                 5    16      31+   9+  30+   5+   3+   2?
2  Hyunjoon LEE                  Korea                 5    13      50+  36+  11+  17+   4+   1?
3  CHEN Cheng-Hsun               Chinese Taipei        4    17      43+   7+  14+  13+   1-   8?
4  RI Kwang Hyok                 DPR Korea             4    16      53+   6+  16+  12+   2-   7?
5  CHAN Chi Hin                  Hong Kong – China     4    16      35+  20+  18+   1-  14+   9?
6  Pal BALOGH                    Hungary               4    15      34+   4-  26+  15+  22+  10?
7  ZHOU Yuan                     USA                   4    14      33+   3-  37+  11+  19+   4?
8  Benjamin TEUBER               Germany               4    13      49+  13-  25+  23+  21+   3?
9  LOU Yuxiang                   Singapore             4    13      48+   1-  31+  30+  12+   5?
10 LISY Pavol                    Slovakia              4    13      15+  46+  12-  16+  24+   6?
11 Seizoh NAKAZONO               Japan                 3    18      23+  24+   2-   7-  13+  29?
12 Gheorghe Cornel BURZO         Romania               3    17      26+  44+  10+   4-   9-  13?
13 Lukas PODPERA                 Czech Republic        3    17      21+   8+  17+   3-  11-  12?
14 Juri KURONEN                  Finland               3    16      45+  19+   3-  20+   5-  25?
15 Rémi CAMPAGNIE                France                3    15      10-  40+  29+   6-  34+  18?
16 Lothar SPIEGEL                Austria               3    14      38+  41+   4-  10-  39+  32?
17 MATOH Leon                    Slovenia              3    14      27+  32+  13-   2-  50+  28?
18 LI Xianyu                     Canada                3    14      28+  37+   5-  21-  35+  15?
19 Samuel AITKEN                 UK                    3    13      47+  14-  33+  28+   7-  27?
20 DO Khanh Binh                 Vietnam               3    13      42+   5-  35+  14-  31+  24?
21 LI LONGYANG                   New Zealand           3    13      13-  49+  32+  18+   8-  22?
22 Jannik Lundgaard RASMUSSEN    Denmark               3    13      29+  30-  41+  34+   6-  21?
23 SAECHEN Panjawat              Thailand              3    13      11-  39+  36+   8-  38+  26?
24 Alexander EERBEEK             Netherlands           3    12      39+  11-  51+  38+  10-  20?
25 Martin LI                     Sweden                3    12      32-  27+   8-  52+  37+  14?
26 ZAID Waqi                     Malaysia              3    11      12-  54+   6-  48+  30+  23?
27 Jigor POPOV                   Russia                3    11      17-  25-  49+  43+  32+  19?
28 François GONZE                Belgium               3     9      18-  56+  47+  19-  33+  17?
29 Aliaksandr SUPONEU            Belarus               3     9      22-  55+  15-  46+  40+  11?
30 CHAN Kouk Wang                Macau – China         2    15      55+  22+   1-   9-  26-  39?
31 Carlo METTA                   Italy                 2    15       1-  48+   9-  44+  20-  45?
32 Eduardo LOPEZ HERRERO         Argentina             2    14      25+  17-  21-  42+  27-  16?
33 Pål Harald SANNES             Norway                2    14       7-  43+  19-  36+  28-  37?
34 Andreas M. GÖTZFRIED          Luxembourg            2    13       6-  53+  44+  22-  15-  42?
35 Félicien MAZILLE              Switzerland           2    13       5-  42+  20-  47+  18-  43?
36 Mijodrag STANKOVIC            Serbia                2    12      51+   2-  23-  33-  46+  41?
37 Dragan PAUNIC                 Bosnia-Herzegovina    2    11      56+  18-   7-  51+  25-  33?
38 Zoran MUTABZIJA               Croatia               2    11      16-  52+  46+  24-  23-  44?
39 Pau CARLES RAMON              Spain                 2    11      24-  23-  50+  49+  16-  30?
40 John LEUNER                   South Africa          2    10      46-  15-  53+  41+  29-  48?
41 David BOFINGER                Australia             2    10      52+  16-  22-  40-  51+  36?
42 Kerek KARAERKEK               Turkey                2    10      20-  35-  45+  32-  54+  34?
43 ACUNA SILVA Carlos Andre      Colombia              2    10       3-  33-  56+  27-  47+  35?
44 Daniele TOME                  Portugal              2     9      54+  12-  34-  31-  52+  38?
45 Luis CAJIAO                   Costa Rica            2     7      14-  47-  42-  55+  48+  31?
46 Colin MACSWEENY               Ireland               1    13      40+  10-  38-  29-  36-  50?
47 Salvador LARIOS SANCHEZ       Mexico                1    12      19-  45+  28-  35-  43-  51?
48 Demetris REGGINOS             Cyprus                1    12       9-  31-  54+  26-  45-  40?
49 Albertas PETRAUSKA            Lithuania             1    12       8-  21-  27-  39-  56+  54?
50 Nadeen PREM                   Brazil                1    12       2-  51-  39-  53+  17-  46?
51 Leslie PEREZ CACERES          Chile                 1    10      36-  50+  24-  37-  41-  47?
52 Bayarjargal SHARTOLOGOI       Mongolia              1     9      41-  38-  55+  25-  44-  53?
53 FANG Xiaoyan                  China (2)             1     9       4-  34-  40-  50-  55+  52?
54 Bahadur Bayram TAHIRBAYOV     Azerbaijan            1     8      44-  26-  48-  56+  42-  49?
55 Ismail JA                     Morocco               0     9      30-  29-  52-  45-  53-  56?
56 Ivan IVANOV                   Bulgaria              0     9      37-  28-  43-  54-  49-  55?

From the reports at Ranka I gather that the Moroccan player is a no show, but he is paired each round, so all those results are forfeits.

[HermanHiddema]

Standings after round 6.

Now with the official ranks, short country codes and all names converted to have last name first, with a comma behind it where appropriate.

Sorting is now according to the official rules (SOS, SOS without first round, SOS without first two rounds, etc).

All games against the absent Moroccan player are listed as 0+, and the Moroccan player has all his games listed as 0-.

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Pl Name                       Rank C/R   Pt   SOS       
1  Qiao Zhijian                 7d  CN    6    25      23+   7+  24+   2+   4+   3+   5?
2  Chan Chi_Hin                 6d  HK    5    24      31+  15+  21+   1-   8+   7+   4?
3  Lee, Hyunjoon                4d  KR    5    23      51+  34+  11+  17+   5+   1-   6?
4  Chen Cheng_Hsun              7d  TW    5    23      40+   9+   8+  20+   1-  14+   2?
5  Ri Kwang_Hyok                6d  KP    5    23      48+   6+  29+  10+   3-   9+   1?
6  Balogh, Pal                  6d  HU    5    23      22+   5-  30+  13+  16+  12+   3?
7  Lou Yuxiang                  5d  SG    4    22      50+   1-  23+  24+  10+   2-  15?
8  Kuronen, Juri                5d  FI    4    22      49+  25+   4-  15+   2-  28+   9?
9  Zhou Yuan                    7d  US    4    22      39+   4-  36+  11+  25+   5-   8?
10 Burzo, Gheorghe_Cornel       6d  RO    4    22      30+  37+  12+   5-   7-  20+  16?
11 Nakazono, Seizoh             8d  JP    4    22      18+  32+   3-   9-  20+  33+  12?
12 Lisy Pavol                   5d  SK    4    21      13+  43+  10-  29+  32+   6-  11?
13 Campagnie, Rémi              5d  FR    4    21      12-  38+  33+   6-  22+  21+  18?
14 Teuber, Benjamin             6d  DE    4    20      46+  20-  28+  18+  26+   4-  17?
15 Do Khanh_Binh                2d  VN    4    20      44+   2-  31+   8-  23+  32+   7?
16 Rasmussen, Jannik_Lundgaard  4d  DK    4    19      33+  24-  45+  22+   6-  26+  10?
17 Matoh Leon                   5d  SI    4    19      19+  27+  20-   3-  51+  35+  14?
18 Saechen Panjawat             4d  TH    4    18      11-  42+  34+  14-  41+  30+  13?
19 Popov, Jigor                 5d  RU    4    17      17-  28-  46+  40+  27+  25+  34?
20 Podpera, Lukas               5d  CZ    3    24      26+  14+  17+   4-  11-  10-  27?
21 Li Xianyu                    6d  CA    3    21      35+  36+   2-  26-  31+  13-  25?
22 Götzfried, Andreas_M         4d  LU    3    20       6-  48+  37+  16-  13-  44+  38?
23 Metta, Carlo                 3d  IT    3    20       1-  50+   7-  37+  15-  49+  31?
24 Chan Kouk_Wang               5d  MO    3    19       0+  16+   1-   7-  30-  42+  37?
25 Aitken, Samuel               4d  UK    3    19      47+   8-  39+  35+   9-  19-  21?
26 Li Longyang                  5d  NZ    3    19      20-  46+  27+  21+  14-  16-  28?
27 Lopez_Herrero, Eduardo       5d  AR    3    19      28+  17-  26-  44+  19-  29+  20?
28 Li, Martin                   5d  SE    3    19      27-  19+  14-  53+  36+   8-  26?
29 Spiegel, Lothar              4d  AT    3    18      41+  45+   5-  12-  42+  27-  32?
30 Zaid Waqi                    4d  MY    3    18      10-  54+   6-  50+  24+  18-  33?
31 Mazille, Félicien            1d  CH    3    18       2-  44+  15-  47+  21-  40+  23?
32 Eerbeek, Alexander           5d  NL    3    17      42+  11-  52+  41+  12-  15-  29?
33 Suponeu, Aliaksandr          1d  BY    3    17      16-   0+  13-  43+  38+  11-  30?
34 Stankovic, Mijodrag          5d  RS    3    16      52+   3-  18-  39-  43+  45+  19?
35 Gonze, François              4d  BE    3    15      21-  55+  47+  25-  39+  17-  36?
36 Paunic, Dragan               2d  BA    3    14      55+  21-   9-  52+  28-  39+  35?
37 Tome, Daniele                3d  PT    3    14      54+  10-  22-  23-  53+  41+  24?
38 Leuner, John                 2d  ZA    3    14      43-  13-  48+  45+  33-  50+  22?
39 Sannes, Pål_Harald           4d  NO    2    18       9-  40+  25-  34+  35-  36-  47?
40 Acuna_Silva Carlos_Andre     3d  CO    2    17       4-  39-  55+  19-  47+  31-  49?
41 Mutabzija, Zoran             5d  HR    2    16      29-  53+  43+  32-  18-  37-  42?
42 Carles_Ramon, Pau            3d  ES    2    16      32-  18-  51+  46+  29-  24-  41?
43 MacSweeney, Colin            1k  IE    2    16      38+  12-  41-  33-  34-  51+  48?
44 Karaerkek, Kerek             2d  TR    2    16      15-  31-  49+  27-  54+  22-  45?
45 Bofinger, David              2d  AU    2    15      53+  29-  16-  38-  52+  34-  44?
46 Petrauska, Albertas          1d  LT    2    15      14-  26-  19-  42-  55+  54+  52?
47 Larios_Sanchez, Salvador     2d  MX    2    14      25-  49+  35-  31-  40-  52+  39?
48 Fang Xiaoyan                 3d  CN    2    13       5-  22-  38-  51-   0+  53+  43?
49 Cajiao, Luis                 2d  CR    2    12       8-  47-  44-   0+  50+  23-  40?
50 Regginos, Demetris           1d  CY    1    16       7-  23-  54+  30-  49-  38-  55?
51 Prem, Nadeen                 3d  BR    1    16       3-  52-  42-  48+  17-  43-  53?
52 Perez_Caceres, Leslie        4k  CL    1    14      34-  51+  32-  36-  45-  47-  46?
53 Shartologoi, Bayarjargal     4d  MN    1    12      45-  41-   0+  28-  37-  48-  51?
54 Tahirbayov, Bahadur_Bayram   6d  AZ    1    12      37-  30-  50-  55+  44-  46-   0+
55 Ivanov, Ivan                 3k  BG    1    11      36-  35-  40-  54-  46-   0+  50?
56 Ja, Ismail                   7k  MA    0    12       0-   0-   0-   0-   0-   0-   0-

EDIT: Gave Colin his uppercase S and extra e

[Xaos]

Where are you getting the SGFs? I was looking for the Chile-Brazil game to share with the Brazil FB group. Thanks.