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Re: Thread for players who quickly become obsolete

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:03 am
by Gomoto
Just to have the mentioned game right here:
(Elf Network)


Re: Thread for players who quickly become obsolete

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:08 am
by Gomoto
And a question: What about :w34:, why is it an option here over O3?

Moves 148 seems to be an important moment.

Re: Thread for players who quickly become obsolete

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:04 am
by Uberdude
I Think 34 is because
1) ladder is good for black and with ladder that joseki is slightly good for Black.
2) o3 would end up uncomfortable with k3. With o3 you either want to knight's move next or 2 space low extension but neither of those are efficient with k3 (knight's move not too bad but I fear j3 would then be a good move for b later).

Re: Thread for players who quickly become obsolete

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:37 am
by Bill Spight
Gomoto wrote:And a question: What about :w34:, why is it an option here over O3?
Well, LZ doesn't like :w34:, giving it -5% with 14k playouts. I wonder what it would say about :w34: at O-03 with a similar number of playouts.

Re: Thread for players who quickly become obsolete

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:50 am
by Tryss
By the way, I use LZ with an older network (maybe #197, I don't remember exactly which one), and it prefer P5 to O3.

Edit : and with the latest LZ (0.17 + #221), the top choice for :w34: become N3 after ~10k playout