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Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:17 am
by TIM82
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[go]$$Bcm15
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . W . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White 14 seems a bit greedy to me, leaving weakness behind. But it makes the game interesting too, can't complain ;-) We shall see whether I'm good enough to benefit from it.

Seriously considered F16 for this move too. Then the question would be how good structure white gets on left side, and how much aji there is left. Will explain current plan later, when not on iPad.


Edit: added the stone, thanks!

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:41 am
by The Intrepid
I think you're missing a Black stone in your diagram. :)
Generally, when the opponent has stones supporting his kakari (such as the White stones in the bottom-left in this case), loose pincers are to be preferred. The reason for this is that close pincers can come under attack very easily in such situations. Now I just need to come up with the right joseki to take advantage of TIM82's move.

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:46 pm
by The Intrepid
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[go]$$Wcm16
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. 1 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now, Black would be well advised to play a 2-space extension on the left (at "a"). Playing in the corner with :b1: would, instead, lead to difficulties after :w2:. The ensuing attack would enable White to easily build a moyo on the left side.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . 1 . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . a , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:03 am
by TIM82
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[go]$$Bcm17
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . 1 . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Explanation of plan still to be done - busy with real life.

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:00 pm
by The Intrepid
I was planning to play a counter pincer right away, but perhaps I can find a more skillful way of getting a moyo. I'm currently trying to decide between these moves:
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[go]$$Wcm18
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . X . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . b . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . d . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:51 pm
by TIM82
Original plan at :b15: :
If black plays :w16: at A or B, I'll try to get the points marked C, aiming to developing both sides fast and giving white the upper left corner. I still have some trouble seeing how white gets enough in this family of josekis (see my earlier game with EdLee).
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[go]$$Bcm15
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . a X . . c . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . c , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After I played :b15: I realised white may indeed play :w16: as in the game. However, now I'm happy to play the F16, which I considered for previous move too, for two reasons:
    To my eye, there is now more aji in the white structure on the left side with the 15-16 sequence in place.
    If Intrepid would happen to follow the typical corner josekis after my F16, there are variations which will let me give white the corner and take development on both sids, which I was trying to do originally.

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:57 am
by The Intrepid
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[go]$$Wcm18
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . X . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If I counter-pincered like I intended to, I was worried that :b2: would force :w3:. Such an exchange would strongly interfere with any sort of ideas of building a moyo by White.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . X . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The move in the game prevents this possibility and applies additional pressure on both Black groups.
Edit:
There was also the possibility of leaning onto Black's top group to gain strength against the Black stone below. However, the trade seems good for Black because Black has a stone in the top-right corner.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , 3 X 5 . . , . . . . . , B . .|
$$ |. O . O . 1 2 8 . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:05 am
by TIM82
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[go]$$Bcm19
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . X . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . 1 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was kind of expecting Intrepid to play a pincer of some kind here. Let's see what he's planning.

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:15 pm
by The Intrepid
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[go]$$Wcm20
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . X . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
In Takemiya style, the moyo has to emerge naturally. Usually, this is accomplished by letting the opponent take as much side and corner territory as he or she wishes in exchange for outside thickness. However, it can also mean building a moyo as a consequence of an attack on one of opponent's groups. By the looks of it, I might get the chance to demonstrate just that in this game. With this in mind, :w20: is essential. It weakens Black's two-space extension while strengthening the weak White group below it.

I like how the game is developing, so far. It should prove to be very interesting and hard-fought.

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:40 pm
by TIM82
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[go]$$Bcm21
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . X . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, the plan is this.
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[go]$$Bcm21
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . X . 3 . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . O . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I initially wanted to play :b21: as below, but then :w22: seems potentially problematic.
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[go]$$Bcm21
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . 1 , . X . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:10 am
by The Intrepid
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[go]$$Wcm22
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . X . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Since Black did not reinforce the top, White can play there now. After this move, White usually takes the corner (and makes life). This is contrary to the Takemiya style guidelines, but if this White group becomes strong, White can launch a much more effective attack on the Black group below it.

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:42 am
by TIM82
I have been quite busy lately. I will continue to be as busy for about a week still, but I'll try to fit in a move or two.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . X . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, if we would play bookish sequences from here, I would probably cede the corner to white and get thickness towards right in gote. Scrap that, gote + points for white sucks. :b21: should enable me to fight more strongly - how many groups do you want create, Intrepid? If white tries to enclose, I will push, cut and fight. Otherwise I will just cut and fight. :rambo:

I'm having quite busy and stressful period at work - that might have an effect on my aggressiveness here, or not :D

If somebody wants to see some bookish sequences mentioned above, just tell, I'll add them when not so busy.

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:44 am
by The Intrepid
No problem. I'm about to head out to a chess tournament for the weekend, so I'm quite busy, as well. I wasn't counting on topazg coming back from the dead when he did, though. I wouldn't start playing two new games, if I knew this was going to happen. :)

I should make my next move some time in the middle of the next week.

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:50 pm
by The Intrepid
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm24
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . X . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black's last move seems questionable to me. I expected the following:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X 4 . . O a . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . X . 1 2 , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
After :w4:, White takes the corner in gote, so Black can come back to cut at "a" or sometimes tenuki elsewhere. Instead, after :b23: in the game, Black risks getting confined to the corner while also making his left group more vulnerable.

As a parenthetical remark, I'm starting to question my play in the top-left. Given that I'm trying to play Takemiya style, getting into complicated josekis/local fights isn't something I should be aiming for early in the game. The problem with complicated fights is that it's easy to lose control/hard to predict the outcome. This is bad from the point of view of Takemiya style because, if it's hard to know the outcome, it's hard to know whether the result will have helped the moyo-building process or hurt it. Takemiya often eschewed complications in the opening and I probably should have done the same. However, the situation looks fine, so far. I think I still have a good chance of ending up with a big moyo in this game.

Re: #226: TIM82 vs. The Intrepid: Takemiya Style 2

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:39 am
by TIM82
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm23
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . X . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . X . . . , . . . . . , X . .|
$$ |. O . O . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . O 4 5 . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. X O O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . .|
$$ |. X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Feel free to vary :w26: . If you next atari :b27: , I will extend, so in that case you you may as well continue from there...